Zimmerman to be charged!

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Don't talk to the cops, don't talk to the cops, don't talk to the cops, consult your lawyer. Z-man did everything he could to prove he was innocent and still he is on trial. They only thing he was missing was a notarized confession from Tyron that he was at fault.

If I were Z-man's legal team I would start thinking strategically. The state case is a mess, but the fed civil rights case is a far different story. The defense team needs to start laying out the story that the fed case is just an election year stunt to get black votes. Say it loud, say it often and set the conversation. You set the battle field and if the Feds file now, it just looks like piling on- and proves your point.

[davidjinks]

Seriously?

On the grounds that this bitch can do whatever she wants, whenever she wants, by any means she wants and obviously get away with it.

This whole damn case is a mockery of the justice system in this country. She convicted him even before papers were filed.

Originally Posted by Kchen986

On what grounds?

[Kchen986]

Originally Posted by davidjinks

Seriously?

On the grounds that this bitch can do whatever she wants, whenever she wants, by any means she wants and obviously get away with it.

This whole damn case is a mockery of the justice system in this country. She convicted him even before papers were filed.

Yea, its Brady evidence, and relevant to his innocence, even though polygraphs are usually considered too unreliable to be admissible. Where the evidence goes towards the defendant's innocence though, it would be more probative than prejudicial.

I would suggest relaxing. I'm not a fan of the prosecutor either.

[davidjinks]

In case you haven't been following this case...

Corey publicly admitted to leaving out evidence and in turn admitting to lying in order to get the ball rolling to convict Zimmerman.

So it's not too hard to speculate that this will get suppressed as it goes to support the defendants defense. She wouldn't want that now would she???

Telling someone to relax, over the Internet, is funny. I need to relax why, because I used the word "Bitch" as an adjective?

Originally Posted by Kchen986

Yea, its Brady evidence, and relevant to his innocence, even though polygraphs are usually considered too unreliable to be admissible. Where the evidence goes towards the defendant's innocence though, it would be more probative than prejudicial.

I would suggest relaxing. I'm not a fan of the prosecutor either.

[Kchen986]

Originally Posted by davidjinks

In case you haven't been following this case...

Corey publicly admitted to leaving out evidence and in turn admitting to lying in order to get the ball rolling to convict Zimmerman.

So it's not too hard to speculate that this will get suppressed as it goes to support the defendants defense. She wouldn't want that now would she???

Telling someone to relax, over the Internet, is funny. I need to relax why, because I used the word "Bitch" as an adjective?

If you're going to rely on speculation, I suggest a reading on the rules of evidence to support your assertion.

[SixEight]

Originally Posted by sqwerl

I'm literally DYING to know what Corey will have to say about this.
Do I hear...more crickets chirping???

Originally Posted by Safetyhit

Then you wait for nothing. Certainly one must know better by now.

The last part that you left out means I was being facetious or tongue-in-cheek if you will.

[Moose-Knuckle]

FBI report: No evidence George Zimmerman is racist

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...rman-is-racist

Well it would appear that Holder will not/cannot pursue a “hate crime” against Zimmerman. This also puts yet another nail in the coffin of the prosecution’s case.

[usmcvet]

Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle

FBI report: No evidence George Zimmerman is racist

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...rman-is-racist

Well it would appear that Holder will not/cannot pursue a “hate crime” against Zimmerman. This also puts yet another nail in the coffin of the prosecution’s case.

Shouldn't but who knows with this guy. He clearly has an agenda.

[QuietShootr]

Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle

FBI report: No evidence George Zimmerman is racist

That may be the scariest fucking thing I've read in months. The Thought Police have determined no evidence of Thoughtcrime has taken place. George Zimmerman plusgood.

I want you guys to think about this shit for a minute. It means the facts of a case no longer matter, if someone can prove that you had politically incorrect thoughts or beliefs, that can be used against you in a prosecution.

This fucking place is lost. The Party won.

[davidjinks]

You couldn't have spoken truer words!

As I've said before and will continue to say, this is a circus.

No matter what the outcome of this case will be, we all lose.

Originally Posted by QuietShootr

That may be the scariest fucking thing I've read in months. The Thought Police have determined no evidence of Thoughtcrime has taken place. George Zimmerman plusgood.

I want you guys to think about this shit for a minute. It means the facts of a case no longer matter, if someone can prove that you had politically incorrect thoughts or beliefs, that can be used against you in a prosecution.

This fucking place is lost. The Party won.

[Honu]

I often wonder what some of the Jewish folks and honest Germans thought when Hitler started pulling crap if they saw what was around the corner or thought how insane has our country become !

This case does make me think Like quietshootr its more about politics and making points than innocent or guilty and now its guilty till you can prove you are innocent ! And we can lie about your guilt to prove our point !

[usmcvet]

Originally Posted by QuietShootr

That may be the scariest fucking thing I've read in months. The Thought Police have determined no evidence of Thoughtcrime has taken place. George Zimmerman plusgood.

I want you guys to think about this shit for a minute. It means the facts of a case no longer matter, if someone can prove that you had politically incorrect thoughts or beliefs, that can be used against you in a prosecution.

This fucking place is lost. The Party won.

I may be wrong but I assumed it meant no hate crime enhancement was a possibility. If hate crimes are on the books there, and I assume they are some one convicted gets enhanced penalties. It doesn't make much sense to me. Dead is dead. It is feel good BS.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Originally Posted by QuietShootr

That may be the scariest fucking thing I've read in months. The Thought Police have determined no evidence of Thoughtcrime has taken place. George Zimmerman plusgood.

I want you guys to think about this shit for a minute. It means the facts of a case no longer matter, if someone can prove that you had politically incorrect thoughts or beliefs, that can be used against you in a prosecution.

This fucking place is lost. The Party won.

100% spot on QS. This speaks volumes as to how far the down the slope we have slid.

I posted this since I've been following this case as many of you have. I think the hate crime enhancements are pure Bravo Sierra, as usmcvet said "dead is dead". What should be on trial is if in fact a murder accrued which it didn't not whether the accused likes all the flavors of the rainbow.


This is where we are headed. . .(for those that haven't seen this)

UK football captain John Terry's race trial.

http://news.sky.com/story/959788/as-...-trial-verdict

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Ferdinand.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18760180

[davidjinks]

You missed the part where the Fed investigated him to find out IF he was racist. In other words, as QS stated, thought crimes.

Originally Posted by usmcvet

I may be wrong but I assumed it meant no hate crime enhancement was a possibility. If hate crimes are on the books there, and I assume they are some one convicted gets enhanced penalties. It doesn't make much sense to me. Dead is dead. It is feel good BS.

Edited: Moose, there's no slope! It's a fucking cliff!

[QuietShootr]

Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle

100% spot on QS. This speaks volumes as to how far the down the slope we have slid.

I posted this since I've been following this case as many of you have. I think the hate crime enhancements are pure Bravo Sierra, as usmcvet said "dead is dead". What should be on trial is if in fact a murder accrued which it didn't not whether the accused likes all the flavors of the rainbow.


This is where we are headed. . .(for those that haven't seen this)

UK football captain John Terry's race trial.

http://news.sky.com/story/959788/as-...-trial-verdict

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Ferdinand.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18760180

Holy shit.

Did they really just spend untold thousands of dollars (pounds, euro, what the fuck ever) prosecuting a guy because he might have said something "racist"?

How in the hell can anyone read that and not get a cold chill in the pit of their stomach?

Wait until they get the thought-reading technology perfected. http://www.metro.co.uk/news/334888-m...alled-in-court

I'm not saying it's "Fo time" as they like to say on TOS...but you can see it from here. I know this, though: Sam Adams would have been shooting by now.

[Ironman8]

Wow, unbelievable.

I was just talking with my wife last night about the economy and health care issues here in the US and made the comment that if you wanna see where the US is headed, just look at the UK. I have originally thought we were about 10yrs behind them....but damn, probably alot closer!

[NWPilgrim]

The sad thing that on reading about FBI finding, I realized I am more surprised they dropped it rather than fabricating something out of nothing. I expected lies and cheating from the FBI more than I expected a rational investigation.

Perhaps some of the FBI pros are not so hot to follow Holder's political witch hunts.

Just the fact that a person can be investigated for racial opinions is, I agree, well over the cliff. I have little hope our voting public will make enough change in November to divert from the general direction into fascism.

Dark decades ahead my friends.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Originally Posted by QuietShootr

Holy shit.

Did they really just spend untold thousands of dollars (pounds, euro, what the fuck ever) prosecuting a guy because he might have said something "racist"?

How in the hell can anyone read that and not get a cold chill in the pit of their stomach?

Wait until they get the thought-reading technology perfected. http://www.metro.co.uk/news/334888-m...alled-in-court

I'm not saying it's "Fo time" as they like to say on TOS...but you can see it from here. I know this, though: Sam Adams would have been shooting by now.

Minor thread derail if I may,

The way I'm tracking, the powers at be want the silent majority to rise up and revolt. They keep pushing and pushing to see how far they can go. Once it's set off they will have their justification to green light specific EOs, NDAA, et al. all the while bending the truth via media to fit their agenda. The average smuck won't even know WTF is going down; they will support the routing of the "domestic terrorists".

Thomas Jefferson weeps . . .

[Moose-Knuckle]

Originally Posted by NWPilgrim

The sad thing that on reading about FBI finding, I realized I am more surprised they dropped it rather than fabricating something out of nothing. I expected lies and cheating from the FBI more than I expected a rational investigation.

Perhaps some of the FBI pros are not so hot to follow Holder's political witch hunts.

Agreed, I think that enough character witnesses have surfaced in favor of Zimmerman that DOJ wouldn't attempt anything. Zimmerman's best friend is black and the charity work he has done (Big Brother and Sisters IIRC) with inner city youth.

Originally Posted by NWPilgrim

Just the fact that a person can be investigated for racial opinions is, I agree, well over the cliff. I have little hope our voting public will make enough change in November to divert from the general direction into fascism.

Dark decades ahead my friends.

Roger that.

[usmcvet]

Originally Posted by Ironman8

Wow, unbelievable.

I was just talking with my wife last night about the economy and health care issues here in the US and made the comment that if you wanna see where the US is headed, just look at the UK. I have originally thought we were about 10yrs behind them....but damn, probably alot closer!

Over Christmas break in '94 I took a two week CJ college course through SUNY in London. There were lots of other programs going on too. I spent some good times with a nursing student also an RN. She ended up with an ear infection and off to the ER we went. It was 2nd world at best close to 3rd world. The place was fucking filthy, especially the common areas, the bathroom was the worst I'd ever seen. I have no interest in that form of socialized medicine.

Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle

Agreed, I think that enough character witnesses have surfaced in favor of Zimmerman that DOJ wouldn't attempt anything. Zimmerman's best friend is black and the charity work he has done (Big Brother and Sisters IIRC) with inner city youth.



Roger that.

Interesting his best friend is black and this is the first I've heard of it.