Originally Posted by rob_s
There what is, exactly?
Is anyone honestly going to take the position that shooting with a red dot sight is not easier than shooting with irons?
Rob - you make it sound, (perhaps unintentionally) as if iron shooting is some mystical, complex holy grail that is beyond the understanding of new shooters - it isn't. You also make it sound, (perhaps unintentionally) as if new shooters are turned off by shooting a gun with irons only - that somehow an Aimpoint will magnetize them and steer them from the "difficulties" (?) of iron sight shooting - it won't. It's a bit absurd sounding, so perhaps you can provide some personal experiences of people shooting an iron sighted M4 and walking away going: "yuck no red dot"...
It seems as if you're trying to make a point to an issue where there isn't one...
A rifle does not come from the factory with a red dot installed. Generally, they come with irons - be they a carry handle, BUIS or fixed sights - they are a part of the basic rifle - so what is so wrong about learning how to use them first? If one cannot teach new shooters to get on paper in relatively short order with irons, then it may speak to the method of teaching - rather than the method of target acquisition.
I recently took part in an Independence Day shoot as part of a regional gun forum I belong to, (NES). There were at least a dozen new shooters - many whom had never handled a weapon in their lives - let alone fired an EBR. I did not hear a single one complain that acquiring targets with iron-only guns they were handed was anything short of blissful....Again - issue where one may only minimally exist?