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    Quote Originally Posted by ST911 View Post
    Silly and redundant, but not unprecedented. Their house, their rules. Vote with your wallet.
    I concur. Just hoping (but not really) somebody has dealt with this and been able to correct it. I know it would probably be about as effective as repeatedly smashing my head into a wall to learn calculus, but I would like them to at least see the error in their ways, and make changes accordingly. Since they have the monopoly, basically.

    Quote Originally Posted by el_chupo_ View Post
    Are we talking SBR's, or cans? If it is an SBR, maybe time to drop $300 and set up a pistol lower and just keep on trucking.

    Beyond that, I would do as suggested above, show up, let them check your ammo, and go shooting. Personally, I would leave all my forms at home, in the car, or in the range bag (not visible, options based on your own personal paperwork plan). If someone asks about the forms, I would tell them that you can bring them next time you come, but it also gives you the opportunity to ask questions as to the reasons without the "hostility" of openly refusing to give them paperwork at the time. If you dont have it, you are not openly defying their orders which can cause problems. Ask things like what they do with the paperwork, what guarantee they have that they will keep the information safe, their security for their electronic system, etc. If you want to get really pissy, ask for copies of their insurance policy, specifically related to identity theft or breach of security in their policy, ask for the name and contact information for their insurance company (to give to your NFA attorney), etc. They wont have the answers, but it is up to you how much of a pain you want/need to be. It may also make them think about their policy a bit.

    It is their range, their rules, so you can also hit the highway without any discussion. But they also have to make sure they stay in business, and you dont know what else has gone on at the range, if they have had issues before or been named in a lawsuit, etc.
    Good points. I keep my forms in PDF docs on my phone. And, we are talking about SBRs/suppressors/AOW/SBS, anything F/A or mimicking F/A (bumpfiring/stocks) is forbidden. As for getting pissy, I only plan on being pissy, if they get really pissy with me. But I would prefer not to, just educate respectfully and instill a bit of change.

    EDIT: I do have a pistol lower, but I filed a form 1 because I don’t want to use my pistol lower haha!
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    Out of curiosity, what info are you worried about them getting? I'm sure you're already going to give them your name, address, and phone number when you fill out their waiver of liability. Your SSN isn't on the forms is it (I have a trust)? I'm not sure what anyone can do with your serial number if they get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackblack73 View Post
    Out of curiosity, what info are you worried about them getting? I'm sure you're already going to give them your name, address, and phone number when you fill out their waiver of liability. Your SSN isn't on the forms is it (I have a trust)? I'm not sure what anyone can do with your serial number if they get it.
    Not sure what they could do with my info. But, just on principle, it seems like the wrong thing to be doing. I really wouldn’t want some asshole stamping my SN on his 80% lower or something similar. But I’m sure the possibilities are endless. This is Miami-Dade county. Not some nice little town in Wyoming. Identify theft, fraud, extortion, etc all run rampant here. Seeing the damage people have done with just my credit card number, I’m sure they can find something equally destructive to do with my NFA info. Maybe they want to drop by and steal them one day? I honestly don’t know, but beyond all the possibilities, it’s just wrong.

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    As frustrating as it may be, and in spite of your feelings about it, it does seem to me that it does come down to a matter of "their range, their rules." I think they are just wanting to be abundantly careful in our present climate that they not get jammed up by any governmental agency or entity. If you want to shoot there, I'd just provide the copies they are asking for: proof that your NFA gear is all perfectly legal, etc. If I were you, I would just let them know you are more than happy to prove whatever you are shooting is legal and if they insist on a copy of the paperwork, then tell them you will provide a copy, but with your personal information on it blocked out for personal security and privacy issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmedic_ View Post
    Not sure what they could do with my info. But, just on principle, it seems like the wrong thing to be doing. I really wouldn’t want some asshole stamping my SN on his 80% lower or something similar. But I’m sure the possibilities are endless. This is Miami-Dade county. Not some nice little town in Wyoming. Identify theft, fraud, extortion, etc all run rampant here. Seeing the damage people have done with just my credit card number, I’m sure they can find something equally destructive to do with my NFA info. Maybe they want to drop by and steal them one day? I honestly don’t know, but beyond all the possibilities, it’s just wrong.
    Yeah, some douche in Miami popped me TWICE--and I'm in the entire opposite corner of the country, don't even KNOW anybody in Miami except GunMagWarehouse (who has a recurring security breach and the first was me getting caught in) and CAA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Yeah, some douche in Miami popped me TWICE--and I'm in the entire opposite corner of the country, don't even KNOW anybody in Miami except GunMagWarehouse (who has a recurring security breach and the first was me getting caught in) and CAA.
    Exactly, you need to be deadly careful around here. I believe it is the fraud capital of the country. But I honestly think I’m going to just take my chances, and hopefully they don’t say anything. This is the type of BS that makes me want to move as far away from here as possible, just easier said than done.

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    Still a little confused why a gun range thinks they need to see your tax information. Might be time to look for a new range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Achilles11B View Post
    Still a little confused why a gun range thinks they need to see your tax information. Might be time to look for a new range.
    Yes sir, I don’t understand either. Unfortunately, they are pretty much the ONLY option I have to shoot outdoors and beyond a distance of 25 meters. I’m between a rock and a hard place.

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    I think it is pretty easy to understand why they are asking for proof of legal compliance...asking for a physical hard copy of the paperwork is going above and beyond...but again, in today's climate, I can imagine some range owners, etc. are going the extra mile to assure legality. It's just as simple as that. Again, ask them if they would be satisfied with proof of your legal identification, and then white out the private information on the forms. I think there are some options here which you are not pursuing because you are irked with the range owners. If/when you get over that, you may find solutions that are mutually agreeable. Or you just have to not shoot there.

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    Yeah I don't envy you. Looking at it is tolerable, keeping a copy is where I'd balk.


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