5 LEOs shot in TX

[Coal Dragger]

Unfortunately even though it sounds like this guy is a real bad actor, chances are high that a lot of dirt bags are going to go free because this guy and his colleagues couldn’t follow the law. So not only did they kill some innocent people (who valiantly fought back and would have been well within their rights to kill all of those supposed cops), but will let a lot of potentially dangerous people who are criminals free to go do what they do.

[26 Inf]

So not only did they kill some innocent people (who valiantly fought back and would have been well within their rights to kill all of those supposed cops), but will let a lot of potentially dangerous people who are criminals free to go do what they do.

That is what guys who go off the reservation don't often think about - the risk they expose other officers to. There were probably some officers who thought the raid was legit making the entry. They were put at risk from the homeowners whom, it appears, were legitimately defending their home. Additionally, several may be saddled with the burden of playing a part in killing those homeowners.

Guess what? There is a lot going on right now about NSW units going somewhat rogue because of 1) believing their press releases; 2) inadequate/ineffective supervision. Not surprising to me the same issues surface in some narcotics, vice, and SWAT units.

[jsbhike]

That is what guys who go off the reservation don't often think about - the risk they expose other officers to. There were probably some officers who thought the raid was legit making the entry. They were put at risk from the homeowners whom, it appears, were legitimately defending their home. Additionally, several may be saddled with the burden of playing a part in killing those homeowners.

Guess what? There is a lot going on right now about NSW units going somewhat rogue because of 1) believing their press releases; 2) inadequate/ineffective supervision. Not surprising to me the same issues surface in some narcotics, vice, and SWAT units.

Was this guy ever on that reservation though?

[26 Inf]

Was this guy ever on that reservation though?

Hard to tell. I think many agencies leave guys in those positions too long.

[Firefly]

Hard to tell. I think many agencies leave guys in those positions too long.

Well, you see Willard, in this war, things get confused out there: power, ideals, the old morality, practical military necessity. But out there with these natives, it must be a temptation to be god, because there's a conflict in every human heart, between the rational and the irrational, between good and evil, and good does not always triumph.*

[jsbhike]

Hard to tell. I think many agencies leave guys in those positions too long.

Sounds like a couple of decades too long. One has to wonder about the validity of the 1997 shooting and rather interesting a Texas grand jury in 1992 wouldn't indict a guy for shooting Goines in the face.

He wasn't operating in a vacuum so it seems likely other officers knew exactly what they were playing with.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...l-13620120.php

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

So why go breach-boom-bang on a house you know is dry? Absolutely not defending in anyway, just trying to understand what is the motivation for a false raid. Rats giving bad info I understand. Bad cop just trying to keep his numbers up?

Sounds like a movie.

[jsbhike]

So why go breach-boom-bang on a house you know is dry? Absolutely not defending in anyway, just trying to understand what is the motivation for a false raid. Rats giving bad info I understand. Bad cop just trying to keep his numbers up?

Sounds like a movie.

Based on the details of some of his other incidents it could be possible they bruised his ego driving or in some other way.

Also, I wonder if there was a real deal good apple in all this that didn't play along (as seemed to be the norm in his other incidents) or if it was one of the other raiders that got shot and finally decided it wasn't fun any more.

[26 Inf]

Well, you see Willard, in this war, things get confused out there: power, ideals, the old morality, practical military necessity. But out there with these natives, it must be a temptation to be god, because there's a conflict in every human heart, between the rational and the irrational, between good and evil, and good does not always triumph.*

...Sometimes, the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called the better angels of our nature. Every man has got a breaking point. You and I have one. Walter Kurtz has reached his, and very obviously, he has gone insane.

QFT. The fact it is dialogue from a movie doesn't lessen it's truthfulness.

IMO, Nietzsche said it more succintly:

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.

Irons left in the fire too long lose their temper.

[SomeOtherGuy]

This tragedy just got more interesting:

https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2019/1...s-in-fall.html

The Federal investigation into the no-knock raid on 7815 Harding Street in Houston Texas, on January 28th, 2019, where the married couple, Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas were killed in their home, has resulted in indictments and arrests for three people. Those three are former officers Gerald M. Goines, 55, Seven M. Bryant, 46, and neighbor Patricia Ann Garcia, 53.

It sounds like the neighbor called in blatantly false reports to 911. It's unclear if she was in a conspiracy with the charged officers or if her crimes are unrelated to what the officers are charged with. Far more detail at the link, not copying it all here in accordance with m4c policy.