I agree that cannabis isn’t completely harmless, but disagree that its as dangerous as tobacco. Can you cite any literature behind that claim?Originally Posted by SteyrAUG
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I agree that cannabis isn’t completely harmless, but disagree that its as dangerous as tobacco. Can you cite any literature behind that claim?
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https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/sm...ry?id=93283206
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That is an extremely small study, and previous studies that noted COPD- like changes in cannabis smokers have noted that those effects reversed when the users changed routes of ingestion or quit, which does not happen with cigarette smokers.
Additionally, there is a sampling bias in such a study, as people that volunteer for a study involving cannabis are likely to be avid users, rather than the few times a year that is fairly common. That use pattern is uncommon among cigarette users.
It is a indisputable fact that cigarettes contribute to more mortality and morbidity than cannabis, despite a change in use rates over the past 50 years.
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I think smoking anything probably leads to lung cancer. I'm not sure if there are any official studies out there.
https://nida.nih.gov/publications/re...ts-lung-health
Other than using it for things like managing pain associated with things like cancer, I don't think it's healthy.
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The war on drugs was lost a long time ago. Even if we could stop it coming in, the powers that be won’t let that happen. Everyone makes money, the cartels, the dea, border patrol, cia etc. To much money to be made in allowing it to continue
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quite a few, actually. There’s a compilation of studies specific to cannabis as possible causation of cancer on the site you linked below. If you read each of them, you’ find cannabis consumption is associated with increased risk in one type of cancer, which is not lung cancer. Lung cancer and cannabis has been extensively studied and no causal link or corellation has been really been found. Many other types of cancer have been adequately studied, also with no causal link, or even correlation. Some studies of lung cancer and other airway cancers have even shown an inverse to correlation, as in cannabis smokers were LESS likely to develop those cancers. But I’m still skeptical of that, even though the mechanism for why that might be may have some supporting evidence.
I couldn’t help but notice that the linked webpage is on a government site, and the particular page happens to be overtly devoted to telling me that cannabis is harmful. Yeah, they cherry picked some small studies to support the position, but it reads like a magazine article that starts with the conclusion and drums up some supporting evidence. An actual review of literature should not be done that way, but this is also why singular publications based on literature reviews are better for review than for practice-altering evidence.
Basically, you linked me to a think tank white paper more or less.
More importantly to this discussion than how to digest scientific literature, the studies you linked to demonstrate neither that cannabis is more harmful than tobacco, nor that is is equally harmful. Statistically, dudes old enough to be less likely to die in a fiery crash, but young enough to not be at high risk of dying from a bladder infection, are most likely to die of heart disease, then cancer. There are many thousands of very convincing studies linking these to tobacco. Where are all these studies implicating cannabis? I’m talking about real N, P, CI values and scientific rigor, not some bullshit retrospective study conducted by the War Dept or whatever, or suffocating a chimp with smoke.
I’m not saying cannabis is harmless. It isn’t. It is a drug that mimics neurotransmitters to change the way you feel, hijacking the endocannabinoid (sp) system by binding to the receptors that are meant to respond to endogenously produced cannabinoids. A shortcut to temporarily experiencing the “bliss molecule”
If we eliminate smoked plant matter from that equation, neuropsychology is the field most likely to demonstrate harm using other intake routes. There is a small study in that field that I’d like to see reproduced with a larger N and better controls, because it did correlate harm in a way that makes me think a second study may prove cause.
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LOL. Are we picking this up from over a year ago?
Tell you what, I personally believe smoking "anything" is harmful to your lungs because I think smoke itself is harmful to your lungs. So even if you are doing aroma therapy with scented candles, if you are sucking in lots of smoke...I believe even that is harmful to your lungs.
But if YOU believe that smoking cannabis so somehow not harmful or even benign, you can believe anything you want as I'm not terribly invested in the subject so long as I'm not being forced to deal with some asshats second hand smoke.
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Excellent comeback. Since when are ~17 weeks more than 52?
reading is fundamental. Did you even read the sources you linked?
Last edited by 1168; 03-08-24 at 23:26.
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A good example of their ignoring information to perpetuate the gravy train.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/psycho.txt
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From that report:
"Of all psychoactive substances, alcohol is the
only one whose consumption has been shown to
commonly increase aggression."
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