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11-08-2009, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MarshallDodge
Mine likes the Federal LE132 00 loads. They have the Flitecontrol wad. All nine pellets will hit the vitals on a silhouette at 20 yards with a 20" barrel.
Recoil seems a bit softer with these as well.
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Have you tried these rounds from an M4S90?
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11-08-2009, 06:50 PM
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OK, here's what to remember when deciding between Federal's LE132 00 9-pellet 'Low Recoil' 'Flight Control' and Winchester's RA1200 9-pellet 'Low Recoil' 'Ranger' loads (and 12-pellet 00 Buck 'Standard Velocity' loads)...
The Federal load patterns about 6 inches across at about 50 feet, and the Winchester patterns about 11 inches across at about 50 feet. The 12-pellet 00 Buck loads will be about 24 inches at this distance. This assumes an 18 inch cylinder bore barrel is on your shotgun.
Go outdoors and place targets that are those diameters (6, 11 and 24 inches) at 50 feet, and then look down the sights of your shotgun at them... you will decide really quick which load you would prefer, I think... That's what I did after patterning them myself in my shotgun...
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11-08-2009, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Glock17JHP
OK, here's what to remember when deciding between Federal's LE132 00 9-pellet 'Low Recoil' 'Flight Control' and Winchester's RA1200 9-pellet 'Low Recoil' 'Ranger' loads (and 12-pellet 00 Buck 'Standard Velocity' loads)...
The Federal load patterns about 6 inches across at about 50 feet, and the Winchester patterns about 11 inches across at about 50 feet. The 12-pellet 00 Buck loads will be about 24 inches at this distance. This assumes an 18 inch cylinder bore barrel is on your shotgun.
Go outdoors and place targets that are those diameters (6, 11 and 24 inches) at 50 feet, and then look down the sights of your shotgun at them... you will decide really quick which load you would prefer, I think... That's what I did after patterning them myself in my shotgun...
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Though a MOD choke I was getting 8-12" at 10 yards and 12-15" at 15 yards.
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11-08-2009, 09:08 PM
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WS6,
Oops... wrong distance...
The 50 feet should have read 25 yards...
Sorry!!!
With my 12-pellet Winchester load, I got 2, 4, 7, 11 and 15 inches at 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50 feet. These 10, 20, 30 40, and 50 foot patterns were gathered at an indoor range.
At 25 yards (75 feet), I got 24 inches. This 25 yard pattern was gathered at an outdoor range.
Thank you for helping me fix this misinformation.
-Ron.
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11-08-2009, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Glock17JHP
WS6,
Oops... wrong distance...
The 50 feet should have read 25 yards...
Sorry!!!
With my 12-pellet Winchester load, I got 2, 4, 7, 11 and 15 inches at 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50 feet. These 10, 20, 30 40, and 50 foot patterns were gathered at an indoor range.
At 25 yards (75 feet), I got 24 inches. This 25 yard pattern was gathered at an outdoor range.
Thank you for helping me fix this misinformation.
-Ron.
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NP, sounds like out to 15y it performed very similar for us. I forgot what the 25y patterns looked like.
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11-09-2009, 10:56 AM
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Dude, just use birdshot. It's gonna do just as much damage at home in short range. And you aren't going to have lead balls rattling around in your child's room.
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11-09-2009, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Animal_Mother556
Dude, just use birdshot. It's gonna do just as much damage at home in short range. And you aren't going to have lead balls rattling around in your child's room.
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Seen too many cases where good officers have died due to forgetting birdshot was still in their SG's from practice. Also seen too many cases where people lived and continued to effectively fight/neutralize their opponent dispite being shot in the head at close-range with bird shot for me to trust it.
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11-10-2009, 04:18 AM
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@Glock17JHP
Thx for the tipp I will do that. Concerning Birdshot.I am sure that birdshot might work, but I have also read too much stories about failures when birdshot was used for sd or tactical shootings. . Overpenetration ist not an big issue, as I live allone at the moment and most walls here in austria are made of concrete, so the risk of overpenetration which 00 buckshot shouldn't be very high.
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11-10-2009, 11:11 AM
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Well, I guess I have investigated too many deaths or saw photos from other agencies where birdshot was used in a shooting...and it's always done the job for the shooter. Just my opinion.
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11-10-2009, 11:41 AM
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I am aware that birdshot will work at an close range sd situation, I only have to find an l birdshot load that will work in my m4. I will check this out tomorow.
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11-10-2009, 12:05 PM
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I'm sure you will be able to find something. There are some fairly strong birdshot loads out there. Good Luck
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11-10-2009, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman0085
I am aware that birdshot will work at an close range sd situation, I only have to find an l birdshot load that will work in my m4. I will check this out tomorow.
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I would strongly recommend that you use birdshot only for practice, and use buckshot for home defense.
No birdshot will reach the 12 inches minimum penetration required to reach the vital organs or central nervous system. Only buckshot will do so.
Birdshot is for little birds. Buckshot is for bad guys that are trying to kill you.
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11-10-2009, 01:34 PM
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Would this be a good time for a graphic training aid?
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11-11-2009, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Animal_Mother556
I'm sure you will be able to find something. There are some fairly strong birdshot loads out there. Good Luck
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Thanks.
@Old Painless Thx for your informative post concering buckshot. the differnt buckshot loads I have ordered should arrive next week, then I check out how the differnt bird shot loads will pattern in my benelli.
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11-15-2009, 02:20 AM
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I'm sure you will be able to find something. There are some fairly strong birdshot loads out there. Good Luck
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I literally have not found one that won't run my M4. Even 2.75 dram Remington skeet loads run in my M4.
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11-15-2009, 03:21 AM
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If you want to know one that might not work in your M4, there is a Winchester AA load called: 'Light Target Load', and 'Extra Light Target Load'... and then there is one called: 'Low Recoil / Low Noise'... this last one is labeled that it may not work in semi autos. The dram equivilent in actually listed as 'MIN', and the ounces of #8 shot are under 1 ounce (7/8?). This is (I believe) the lightest Winchester AA load made. I can't recall the load# off the top of my head...
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11-15-2009, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Glock17JHP
If you want to know one that might not work in your M4, there is a Winchester AA load called: 'Light Target Load', and 'Extra Light Target Load'... and then there is one called: 'Low Recoil / Low Noise'... this last one is labeled that it may not work in semi autos. The dram equivilent in actually listed as 'MIN', and the ounces of #8 shot are under 1 ounce (7/8?). This is (I believe) the lightest Winchester AA load made. I can't recall the load# off the top of my head...
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Lol, I didn't say I was looking, just that I have not found 
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11-16-2009, 03:44 PM
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Lol, I didn't say I was looking, just that I have not found |
I know... I just wanted to mention the only load I have seen with an actual warning printed on it... 
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