reloading a 5.56 brass using .223 dies

[Fontaine]

Originally Posted by eguns-com

Pot, meet kettle.

You asked a question which was ignorant and in the hope of helping you and making it clear to others so that they don't hurt themselves we pointed out your error.

The only one sounding like an asshole is you.

+1

RTFM is very important when it comes to reloading, haha.

As for chasing M-193 specs, you'll definitely need a chronograph, and learn to read pressure signs. Most published "max" loads are conservative, and my acquaintances and I have been able to go above max rec loads without problem.

However, I also know a person who managed to Kaboom his Noveske 3-gun rifle.

When it comes to making M-193 style bullets, I just stick to loads between published max/min charges, which is 25.0 grains of AA2230. I'm only shooting paper, so i really don't need that extra velocity of M-193 spec.

Internet advice is only advice, follow manuals and your own data.

[jwfuhrman]

ya know, this is the first time Im going to blatently say people on this forum are just pure useless cocky assholes when someone asks a question. yes, I have a chrono, yes I have tested the XM193 loads over it. what I was asking for is if anyone else had loaded anything close and what kind of results they were getting. there is no need for any of you to act high and mighty and treat other people who have questions to such things as dumb ignorant morons.

last time Ill ask for help from any of you in here.

[jwfuhrman]

Originally Posted by Fontaine

+1

RTFM is very important when it comes to reloading, haha.

As for chasing M-193 specs, you'll definitely need a chronograph, and learn to read pressure signs. Most published "max" loads are conservative, and my acquaintances and I have been able to go above max rec loads without problem.

However, I also know a person who managed to Kaboom his Noveske 3-gun rifle.

When it comes to making M-193 style bullets, I just stick to loads between published max/min charges, which is 25.0 grains of AA2230. I'm only shooting paper, so i really don't need that extra velocity of M-193 spec.

Internet advice is only advice, follow manuals and your own data.

this is what I was looking for, what kinda of results you were getting, and what you would recommend trying, powder wise, bullet types and the other such.

[chadbag]

Originally Posted by jwfuhrman

ya know, this is the first time Im going to blatently say people on this forum are just pure useless cocky assholes when someone asks a question. yes, I have a chrono, yes I have tested the XM193 loads over it. what I was asking for is if anyone else had loaded anything close and what kind of results they were getting. there is no need for any of you to act high and mighty and treat other people who have questions to such things as dumb ignorant morons.

last time Ill ask for help from any of you in here.

Dude, you are just digging it deeper and deeper. The more you open your mouth about this the less ignorant and more stupid the question becomes. There is nothing wrong with asking a question in ignorance. There is something wrong in asking a stupid question when you claim to know better and "have all the gear and experience" to prove it.

You never asked if anyone had loaded anything close and what results were. This is exactly what you asked:

Originally Posted by jwfuhrman

not to highjack the thread, but Im going to be doing reloads, and all my brass is 5.56 Lake City. My question is, Im wanting to load to XM193 Specs, would the 30.4 grains be what I would want to start off trying with?

Coming in a thread soon after a chart was posted that shows that certain LC brass has a water capacity of 30.4 grains, it appeared to be an innocent but ignorant question relating water capacity to how much powder might be used for a certain loading, XM193 in your case. If asked by someone ignorant of reloading than an ignorant question is understandable and would be corrected in a straightforward non condemning way. However, thanks to you, we now know it was more than ignorant. It was stupid. Someone who has loaded as much as you claim should know that powder charge depends on type of powder etc and has nothing directly to do with case capacity (relationally).

You were corrected in a reasonable way and you come back complaining about all of us "assholes." You never asked what you claim you were asking -- how are we to know how much experience and what sort of gear you have and what you really meant?

[jwfuhrman]

humm, maybe we started off on the wrong foot here I do believe.

What Im really wanting to know is what have other people that have loaded "to" 193 specs. ie, what did they find worked best for them be it powder, bullet, primer, ect. That way I can get a base of things to try to see what works for me.

Guess my initial post was a little bland in what I was truely looking for and the follow up posts by others seemed.... rude? but in truth were mis-reading what I was wanting as well, since I didnt post with the right info.

Either way, what have others tried(and come to like/use) so I know where to start to see what works best for me.

[chadbag]

Originally Posted by jwfuhrman

humm, maybe we started off on the wrong foot here I do believe.

What Im really wanting to know is what have other people that have loaded "to" 193 specs. ie, what did they find worked best for them be it powder, bullet, primer, ect. That way I can get a base of things to try to see what works for me.

Guess my initial post was a little bland in what I was truely looking for and the follow up posts by others seemed.... rude? but in truth were mis-reading what I was wanting as well, since I didnt post with the right info.

Either way, what have others tried(and come to like/use) so I know where to start to see what works best for me.

Can I suggest starting a new thread with your question? This thread is really about using 223 dies for 5.56 ammo and not 223 load info.

[jwfuhrman]

good point

[Fyrhazzrd]

Originally Posted by jwfuhrman

ya know, this is the first time Im going to blatently say people on this forum are just pure useless cocky assholes when someone asks a question. yes, I have a chrono, yes I have tested the XM193 loads over it. what I was asking for is if anyone else had loaded anything close and what kind of results they were getting. there is no need for any of you to act high and mighty and treat other people who have questions to such things as dumb ignorant morons.

last time Ill ask for help from any of you in here.

I hear ya man.. I learned a couple months ago not to ask questions. People just snap at you and make you feel stupid.

[KellyTTE]

Good job digging up a thread from 6 months ago. Molon posted verifiable, quantifiable data and got BS in return. Expect that if you make a statement that's patently wrong you'll be called out on it..

Its not that people are such raging assholes on M4C, its that the dramanet is SO full of bad information, none of which is tolerated here. Thank God for M4C.

[Fyrhazzrd]

And here we go again.. Okay shoot me I did a search for reloading 5.56 and I didn't look at the date. But your reply just happens to solidify exactly what we are talking about.

You know what they say. If you don't have anything nice to say just keep your mouth shut.

[KellyTTE]

What you searched for isn't the point. What you posted (in a 6mos old thread) was that people were assholes.

Legitimate question:

What kind of response did you seriously expect?

[Fyrhazzrd]

Originally Posted by KellyTTE

What you searched for isn't the point. What you posted (in a 6mos old thread) was that people were assholes.

Legitimate question:

What kind of response did you seriously expect?

I'm not saying everyone is as you put it assholes.. What we are saying is that if someone is new and don't know everything about AR15's. Then if they ask a question or make a statement that is newbish, then said person is belittled or chastised for it.

And like I said before I didn't look at how old the thread was. I did a search for something specific and I happened to agree with what someone said in the thread. So I agreed with him.

Here is what needs to happen. The forum moderators just need to remove the search function from the forum altogether.Then this wouldn't happen. You wouldn't have people digging up old threads and posting in them. Oh wait here is a better idea, how about just locking threads that are stale, so no one can post in them.

Would you rather have a forum full of duplicate threads?

[Fyrhazzrd]

I actually have questions about reloading 5.56. I can't find it by doing a search, but I'll be damned if I'm going to create a new thread and be chastised for it.

There are a few people on this forum that are just plain rude.

I mean seriously in this thread, a guy asked a legitimate question, and an immediate response was buy a book. Seriously come on. I don't know about anyone else but I joined this forum so I could learn, and do research before making purchases. But to tell someone to buy a book instead of sharing any kind of knowledge is just plain rude. If you don't want to share the knowledge then you don't have to post.

[wahoo95]

Originally Posted by chime

Guys, I need your help.

I've been reloading handgun ammo for 12 years now but it's my first time to reload a rifle ammo. My first concern is all my brass are 5.56 and my dies are marked .223. Can i reload safely using a .223 dies? is this safe? I'll be using it in a 5.56 chambered M4.

Thanks for the help.

Last I checked there are no 5.56 specific Dies so you'll be just fine ising 223 dies. As for trying to load to XM193 specs the best thing to do is chrono it through your rifle then work up a load using the same bullet trying to reach that same velocity while watching for pressure signs. Good luck and be safe!

[aquajon]

Originally Posted by jwfuhrman

ya know, this is the first time Im going to blatently say people on this forum are just pure useless cocky assholes when someone asks a question. yes, I have a chrono, yes I have tested the XM193 loads over it. what I was asking for is if anyone else had loaded anything close and what kind of results they were getting. there is no need for any of you to act high and mighty and treat other people who have questions to such things as dumb ignorant morons.

last time Ill ask for help from any of you in here.

Try 21.5gr of H4198.
Out of my 11.5" that gives about 2761fps. Same range trip, same gun, Federal XM193 gave me 2794.

5 round groups at 50yards were <0.5 inch

[JStor]

The suggestion to purchase a reloading manual was a very good one. The available manuals provide plenty of data and excellent overviews of reloading, ballistics, etc.

I have been reloading ammunition since the 1970s, and I always enjoy perusing a manual. Any internet data should always be compared to one or more manuals to see if the load is in the acceptable "zone."

Look at some of the .223 threads, rather than searching for 5.56. You should find a bunch of recommended loads.

I like 26.5 grains of Winchester 748 or Varget for 55 gr. bullets.