Secondary weapon on vest?

[Ak44]

Not my cup of tea but if you like it and it works for you go for it. There is a thread almost similar to this topic, but it covers more along the lines of a kydex holster for your vest as oppose to a nylon one. Let me see if I can find it...


Here it is...
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=80266

[rero360]

When I was over in Iraq I carried my pistol on my chest, horizontally just below my name tape on my IBA, mainly because I started out as a gunner and it was easier to access it while in the turret and later it kept the gun from getting trashed by the humvee door.

This time around I think I'm going to play around some more and try both on the belt and on the side of the PC, kind of like how you have yours in the pic.

[SOW_0331]

I prefer to keep it on my chest. I have a chest rig with a kangaroo pouch that I cut up a paddle holster and keep it there. I try to keep my hands up front, and most everything I might need in a hurry there. I'll keep my spare pistol mags on my hip, as well as a horizontal "emergency" mag and a Gerber, but I had a lot of problems with keeping the pistol on my hip.

1. It would get hung up on my plate carrier. To draw it, I would have to pull out and away from my body in a completely awkward motion.

2. During a security halt (See; combat sit) it would dig in to my sides and again get hooked on my plate carrier. It was constant uncomfortable unless I leaned a little away from it.

3. I always tried to keep relaxed when dealing with locals, it helped a lot. This meant when I was meeting and greeting, my rifle was at my side. I let the weight fall on the one-point, and kept the pistol grip in a loose grip, strong side. If I carried the pistol on my strong side hip, they would be fighting for real estate.

4. Drawing from the hip in the prone is just as much of a pain in the ass as drawing from the chest in the prone, why tailor your gear for a position you (in my experience) won't use much, and shouldn't do most of your fighting from?

5. Transitions, for me, are a LOT easier with my pistol on my chest. While I push the rifle to weak side, my shoot hand is practically brushing past my secondary. Why leave the chance for a brain fart when my left hand will be going up and left, my other down and right?

Like you, I try to use the "war belt" as more of an organizational tool than a fighting load. Anything that is for the fight is in front of me, where I like it (personal preference weighs in a lot) while my note pad, maps, smoke, drop pouch, and other little randoms, are better suited where they can be ignored when I don't want them.

Go with what feels natural for you!
Happy shooting!
-SOW

[Mr. Goodtimes]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm going to leave it where it is for the mean time.

To answer some questions and clarify some things...

- Yes, I am left handed.

- Dirt and debris is an issue, however, I dont spend much time low crawling. If it becomes an issue, I'll move it back to a belt holster. However, it's off center enough and more to the side that it keeps most of the dirt from going prone off the gun.

- I carry 5 o'cklock IWB on a daily basis. Doing transition drills I have yet to get confused. I can agree, however, this is my training as well as SHTF setup, so if this goes on things are bad enough that I'm not going to be carrying my P30 IWB anymore.

For me, the slight trade off in speed is worth it for the gain in mobility and comfort. There is nothing hanging off my waste to get caught in stuff etc...

I also ordered this part from SKD which I think will probably decrease my draw time a good bit.

[coloccw]

Main problem...
What if you have to ditch your chest rig? End up in water (how many of you have tried swimming in your gear?), gets snagged exiting a vehicle, comes unsnapped during H2H (yes, murphy does show up when you rather he didn't), or something on it breaks....
a phrase comes to mind....don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

[Ak44]

I wore a chest rig over my MTV when I was Overseas. That's one issue I did see with keeping my M9 on a chest rig or on my vest. Obviously there might be situations where you have to dump your chest rig or vest. But again be realistic with your setup, train hard and figure out what works for you. Obviously you can what if a scenario all to hell but keep it realistic and sometimes you have to choose lesser of the two evils.

[usmcvet]

Main problem...
What if you have to ditch your chest rig? End up in water (how many of you have tried swimming in your gear?), gets snagged exiting a vehicle, comes unsnapped during H2H (yes, murphy does show up when you rather he didn't), or something on it breaks....
a phrase comes to mind....don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

I agree. It is a good idea to have your draw remain consistant and there. Ay be a time where you ha e to dump your vest or where you're simoly caught with out it on. Lightfighter.net has some pretty good threads on 1st, 2nd and 3rd line gear.

[Ironman8]

You know, as a civilian, even though I do have my "1st", "2nd", and "3rd" line gear, I still cannot envision a circumstance where I would have to ditch anything but my "3rd" line

My thoughts:

Ditch 3rd line when engaged by an enemy to become more "streamlined" and lighter so that you can move and shoot better to neutralize the threat....but then I would fight tooth and nail to get back to my pack, if I could, since that is my "sustainment".

Ditching 2nd or 1st......still don't know when I'd do that...