S&W Shield Coming in 45 ACP!

[Rogue556]

I may be the only one, but I don't see any issue with a shield chambered in .45 honestly. I've always prefered shooting .45 to .40 and find the recoil in most .45 caliber pistols (compact and full size) to be easier to manage than .40. I shoot 9mm myself so it doesn't bother me either way, but I'd say a Shield in .45 makes equally as much sense as a Shield in .40.

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[jedi391]

[QUOTE=JC5188;2322354]What do you base these assumptions on? Do you have any data to back them up?

The .40 all but disappearing? .45 relegated to only 1911's? Yes, 9mm outsells the others, but that doesn't mean anything is disappearing."

I do believe the .40 will all but disappear. Now I suppose I should define what I mean by "all but disappear." I don't think it will disappear, that was the reason for the "all but" part of the sentence. What I mean is that it will go the way of the .357 Sig and 10mm. They are still both there but they are pretty insignificant in the world of duty weapons. If you actually read what I said I never said that the .45 would be relegated to only 1911's. I actually said that just by itself the 1911 would keep the .45 as an in use defensive round. I never mentioned other guns not using it at all. As far as my sources or reasons, the FBI is a big reason, once they decided to drop the .40 for the 9mm and published their reasoning that was a pretty good indicator of things to come, agree with them or not. In the meantime several other large agencies have followed suit or are about to. Studies on round effectiveness are pretty convincing, take a look at Federal's load comparison for the HST for example, it's very easy to navigate. Here's some more reading if you're interested on the subject:

https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...he-40-sw-dead/
http://www.tactical-life.com/firearm...choose-9mm-40/
http://www.tactical-life.com/gear/45.../#bsum-buffoni
http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-fading-40/
http://concealednation.org/2014/10/f...heir-decision/
http://thepoliticsforums.com/threads...s-over-9mm-won
http://www.usacarry.com/why-agencies-switching-9mm/

I'm not saying it will happen over night, but all factors seem to point to the .40 going the way of .357 Sig (hey Secret Service still like it) in the not too distant future. .45 will still be around but I'm betting it will be used in military and LE service and serious shooters at a fraction of the rate of 9mm.

[RWH24]

The Shield 45 Actually makes better sense than the XDs 45. The grip was too short on the XDs and that damned grip safety.

[boombotz401]

The Shield 45 Actually makes better sense than the XDs 45. The grip was too short on the XDs and that damned grip safety.

I agree with that, the extra round is nice too, I skipped the xds for the 5rd cap, if I'm going to carry 5 it's a J frame. 6+1 is minimum for an auto loader


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[DirectTo]

I do believe the .40 will all but disappear.
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I'm not saying it will happen over night, but all factors seem to point to the .40 going the way of .357 Sig.

Wanna take bets on what's on the shelf around election season?

There are many like me who have 40 guns solely for ammo rushes. I'd rather pay a couple bucks extra for off the shelf 40 than start eating into my 9 stash when something happens.

Performance wise I agree, there's no reason to run anything but 9 while using modern defensive loads, and I don't carry anything but 9mm Glocks.

[JC5188]

[QUOTE=jedi391;2322407]

What do you base these assumptions on? Do you have any data to back them up?

The .40 all but disappearing? .45 relegated to only 1911's? Yes, 9mm outsells the others, but that doesn't mean anything is disappearing."

I do believe the .40 will all but disappear. Now I suppose I should define what I mean by "all but disappear." I don't think it will disappear, that was the reason for the "all but" part of the sentence. What I mean is that it will go the way of the .357 Sig and 10mm. They are still both there but they are pretty insignificant in the world of duty weapons. If you actually read what I said I never said that the .45 would be relegated to only 1911's. I actually said that just by itself the 1911 would keep the .45 as an in use defensive round. I never mentioned other guns not using it at all. As far as my sources or reasons, the FBI is a big reason, once they decided to drop the .40 for the 9mm and published their reasoning that was a pretty good indicator of things to come, agree with them or not. In the meantime several other large agencies have followed suit or are about to. Studies on round effectiveness are pretty convincing, take a look at Federal's load comparison for the HST for example, it's very easy to navigate. Here's some more reading if you're interested on the subject:

https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...he-40-sw-dead/
http://www.tactical-life.com/firearm...choose-9mm-40/
http://www.tactical-life.com/gear/45.../#bsum-buffoni
http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-fading-40/
http://concealednation.org/2014/10/f...heir-decision/
http://thepoliticsforums.com/threads...s-over-9mm-won
http://www.usacarry.com/why-agencies-switching-9mm/

I'm not saying it will happen over night, but all factors seem to point to the .40 going the way of .357 Sig (hey Secret Service still like it) in the not too distant future. .45 will still be around but I'm betting it will be used in military and LE service and serious shooters at a fraction of the rate of 9mm.

Ok fair point on the .45, but those trade in G22's etc from all these agencies dropping .40 are snatched up by civvies before the ink dries on the sales tag. It's not like they are buying 9mm's and then destroying the .40's.


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[jedi391]

[QUOTE=JC5188;2322638]

Ok fair point on the .45, but those trade in G22's etc from all these agencies dropping .40 are snatched up by civvies before the ink dries on the sales tag. It's not like they are buying 9mm's and then destroying the .40's.


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I agree, they won't just vaporize, but I also don't think they'll be used much by serious shooters or military/LE. If you told the average cop in the early 80's that by the mid to late 90's the revolver would have all but disappeared as a primary service weapon I'm thinking a conversation similar to this one would have come about. Those revolvers didn't vaporize either but we aren't talking about them much.

[C4IGrant]

Based off what I see in gun store sales and my personal opinion, I think the 40 will first increase in cost (as the demand goes way down now that the FBI is done with it). As the price increases, people will begin to look at other calibers. They can either save a lot of money by going to 9mm or for a little bit more money, get into 10mm (which is cheaper than 45ACP now thanks to S&B/Magtech).



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[Oscar Mike]

This .45 pocket rocket will make a sweet BUG. It's on my short list.


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[Chrisreedrules]

For all those who think .45 is the be all and end all round, watch this video. Officer Reston was shot 7 times (once in the face) with a .45 caliber pistol. He survived to not only kill his opponent but to make a full recovery in 6 months.
http://youtu.be/_1Pj1-Iw-X8