View Poll Results: Accuracy Consensus of a Factory AK (7.62x39)

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    27 47.37%
  • 3-4 MOA

    11 19.30%
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    14 24.56%
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Thread: Accuracy Consensus of an AK (7.62x39)

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    Quote Originally Posted by teksid View Post
    This guy has no trouble hitting plates at 150-300 yds standing with Wolf Ammo.
    https://youtu.be/aSuAPjw2Jgw
    ...and magically his AK was the first combloc AK to be zeroed out of the box. What are the odds?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron3 View Post
    5 shots 3-4 inches is good for a 7.62 AK. Irons or scope it's what they're capable of. Many are only 4-5 or even 5-6 inch rifles. It opens up by another inch or two once it gets hot.

    So after a fast mag a 3-4 in capable AK is more like 4-6. That 5 inch rifle goes to 6 or 7. Now double the range (and groups) at 200 yds...add an 8 mph crosswind. Pretty easy to miss a man entirely at this range from a rest with a hot AK.

    For natives add a worn out rifle and full auto and you'd have to pray to hit the enemy too.

    But I'm not picking on the AK. I've shot them plenty and respect them for what they are; very powerful submachine guns that can be used as a rifle sometimes
    Submachine gun? AK? I was under the impression sub guns were basically hand gun loads in a rifle. Have I been misinformed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NothingClever View Post
    Submachine gun? AK? I was under the impression sub guns were basically hand gun loads in a rifle. Have I been misinformed?
    "very powerfull submachine gun". What I mean is the gun (AK-47) was designed to be used by tank crews and guards and such. It had a submachine gun-type role but can work as a rifle as well for short distances. Sub-gun first, rifle second. The M16 was sort of the opposite. A rifle first, carbine second.

    But generally, a submachine gun is a short, full-auto weapon chambered for a pistol cartridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NothingClever View Post
    Submachine gun? AK? I was under the impression sub guns were basically hand gun loads in a rifle. Have I been misinformed?
    Actually the Russians classify it as a submachine gun (or did at one point), but they clearly use different criteria than we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NothingClever View Post
    Submachine gun? AK? I was under the impression sub guns were basically hand gun loads in a rifle. Have I been misinformed?
    In the west submachine guns were always chambered in pistol ammo. Soviet infantry doctrine developed differently from their experiences in WWII. The Soviets were unique among armies of that era in their mass issue of submachine guns (PPSH and PPS) in far greater quantities than the Allies or the Germans. Whereas in most armies only a few submachine guns would be issue to a platoon (PLs and SLs) in the Red Army often the majority of soldiers would be issued with submachine guns if not entire units. Although this give Soviet infantry a great deal of firepower in the close fight, their infantry was lacking in engagements over 100M.


    So when the Soviets developed the AK in the late 1940s, they thought of the AK as a submachine gun with better range/hitting power. Whereas in the west, the Assault rifle was more of a rifle with select fire capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron3 View Post
    "very powerfull submachine gun". What I mean is the gun (AK-47) was designed to be used by tank crews and guards and such. It had a submachine gun-type role but can work as a rifle as well for short distances. Sub-gun first, rifle second. The M16 was sort of the opposite. A rifle first, carbine second.

    But generally, a submachine gun is a short, full-auto weapon chambered for a pistol cartridge.
    That's not really true.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Actually the Russians classify it as a submachine gun (or did at one point), but they clearly use different criteria than we do.
    This is more true.

    The AK (the Soviets only referred to it as the AK, not AK-47, that was something done by Western intelligence) and AKM was developed as a replacement for the Airborne, Motorized, and Mechanized infantry squad's weapons, which were chiefly PPSh-41s and PPS-43s. Doctrinally, strategically, the AK was a "submachine gun". The Soviet experience in WWII had taught them the benefits of a squad being able to provide their own suppressing fire in an assault by hosing objectives at range with 7.62 Tokarev, making the AK-47 truly an "assault rifle". Like any true assault rifle, the AK was designed to be fired semi-automatically at range and fully-automatically in close quarters.

    The SKS was developed simply to replace the Mosin-Nagant in its various guises and was chiefly to be issued to regular infantry units. However, the AK proved to be capable of doing everything they wanted the SKS to do and to do it better, and with cost-savings for standardizing on one rifle instead of two, they ultimately went with AKs service-wide.

    The PPS-43 was still used for armored crews (and others who needed a defensive firearm where space was at a premium) and wouldn't fully be phased out of service until the adoption of the AKS-74U.

    (It might also be worth noting how handguns were treated totally different in the Soviet Union: In the US, we wanted a fighting handgun in a fighting cartridge. In the Soviet Union, they wanted a compact, last-ditch, defensive handgun with just enough power to get the job done.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fjallhrafn View Post
    The AK (the Soviets only referred to it as the AK, not AK-47, that was something done by Western intelligence) and AKM was developed as a replacement for the Airborne, Motorized, and Mechanized infantry squad's weapons, which were chiefly PPSh-41s and PPS-43s. Doctrinally, strategically, the AK was a "submachine gun". The Soviet experience in WWII had taught them the benefits of a squad being able to provide their own suppressing fire in an assault by hosing objectives at range with 7.62 Tokarev, making the AK-47 truly an "assault rifle". Like any true assault rifle, the AK was designed to be fired semi-automatically at range and fully-automatically in close quarters.
    And none of that had anything to do with reverse engineered StG-44s captured on the Eastern front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle View Post
    And none of that had anything to do with reverse engineered StG-44s captured on the Eastern front.
    I think it is more form following function. You could make an argument that the AK-47 in terms of operating system is closer to an M1 than STG 44.

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    AK's are fine accuracy wise from the better manufacturers; Saiga, Izhvesk, Arsenal etc.

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    Last edited by RetroRevolver77; 06-15-17 at 18:00.

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