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    Aside from the four rules of safety I can't really think that laws regulating the possession, portage or use of firearms is needed. Last time I checked it was against the law to hurt someone or destroy their property, be that with a gun or bat or your limbs. What else is there that needs to be acted upon. Gun control has absolutely little to do with protecting people. It is ONLY about controlling those people who care about or bother obeying the laws. They do absolutely nothing to control the actions of those few among us willing to harm to others.

    As far as I'm concerned if you're mentally unfit enough to not be trusted, or are criminally oriented you shouldn't be out and about among people at all. But them I'm often called an intolerant asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTifosi View Post
    No mental incompetents, no aliens, no felons.
    Aliens are elidgeable after they pass citizenship test...
    So in your short-sighted opinion those of us GREEN CARD HOLDERS should be allowed to put our very lives on the line as Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and Law Enforcement Officers; but should not be allowed to legally own the very tools these professions require AND that we may need to defend our lives and the lives of our loved ones?

    Basically you are saying that the US Constitution do not apply to all US Persons just because some of them have just began the road to Citizenship. And this is why some of those born in this country should not be allowed to vote. JM2CW
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosDJackal View Post
    So in your short-sighted opinion those of us GREEN CARD HOLDERS should be allowed to put our very lives on the line as Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and Law Enforcement Officers; but should not be allowed to legally own the very tools these professions require AND that we may need to defend our lives and the lives of our loved ones?

    Basically you are saying that the US Constitution do not apply to all US Persons just because some of them have just began the road to Citizenship. And this is why some of those born in this country should not be allowed to vote. JM2CW
    I think voting should be more restricted than guns. The same reasons we all here think it is stupid to pass bills restricting mag capacities or scary looking guns, applies to this discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    I think voting should be more restricted than guns. The same reasons we all here think it is stupid to pass bills restricting mag capacities or scary looking guns, applies to this discussion.
    we wouldnt need voting restrictions if the government didnt buy votes. Welfare rewards bad descisions and lack of foresight, these same people are voting themselves, and us into a situation of large government making rules about things it was never intended to legislate. The same applies to guns, these same people live in fear of things they know nothing about. Same goes for a lot of things, EPA regulations, nuclear energy, drugs, etc.

    Fed govt should regulate trade, interstate commerce, and defese, thats about it. Rest should be up to the states like stated in the constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    Outside of the probition era I can't think of any time where legally owned fully automatic guns were much of an issue and I think the whole thing is blown out of proportion and sensationalized by movies and TV. Apparently people in Ohio haven't realized that. ..
    Hey now, dont lump ALL us Ohioans in the same catagory (though for the most part I do see where your coming from - stupid is fluid here).
    Last edited by MegademiC; 03-28-12 at 10:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegademiC View Post
    Hey now, dont lump ALL us Ohioans in the same catagory (though for the most part I do see where your coming from - stupid is fluid here).
    Really not my intention, they just seem to have a knack for committing crimes with full-auto guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sboza View Post
    To hell with that, any felon is out in my book. Very, very bad judgement (or multiple bouts of bad judgement) is needed to "earn" yourself a felony. These people do not need to own a gun ever. Don't want your right taken away, don't commit a felony. And some violent misdemeanors should come with gun ownership restrictions (maybe not permanent). I don't want the guy getting into bar fights every week or beating the shit out of his wife owning a gun either. Call me crazy.
    I disagree. I know of a felon who is still doing time in Federal Prison for something he did not commit. What was his crime? He was a Gun Dealer whose employee was caught allowing Straw Purchases to occur (two recorded by camera during a BATFE sting). This same employee rolled on his boss to save his own worthless skin. But by all accounts the employee went through the required training but just did not put 2-and-2 together.

    The FFL Holder and Class 3 Dealer and was never present on any of the incidents and had no knowledge of the crimes. He was a former Marine who had a regular job but also ran a Gun Shop from his basement to supplement his income. He ended up taking a plea bargain because the ATF wanted to drag his wife (and co-owner of the Gun Shop) into the crime which she also had no knowledge of.

    There are a lot of felons who should never be considered felons because their crimes were not only of the non-violent nature; some were outright trivial (IE: bounced a $501.00 check). What can be gained by anyone for taking away the rights of such individuals to defend themselves and their families because of someone else's actions.

    IMHO, anyone convicted of ANY violent crime, whether a felony or a misdemeanor should be restricted from ever owning a firearm. This includes Stalkers (which is only a misdemeanor in most jurisdictions).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    I think voting should be more restricted than guns. The same reasons we all here think it is stupid to pass bills restricting mag capacities or scary looking guns, applies to this discussion.
    I agree. IMHO, anyone who wishes to cast a vote should:

    (a) Be required to apply do to on an annual basis and must meet the criteria below.

    (b) As part of the application process, be able to answer General questions about our country and Constitution (the same questions Resident Aliens have to answer in order to get Naturalized).

    (c) Be able to answer specific questions about the positions that they are voting on.

    (d) Be able to provide proof that they have lived in the jurisdiction that the elections are affecting for at least 30-days (same as the requirement to establish Residency).

    (e) Be able to produce a government issued picture ID in order to receive a Voter's Registration ID which itself will include at least a picture and possible a fingerprint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosDJackal View Post
    I disagree. I know of a felon who is still doing time in Federal Prison for something he did not commit. What was his crime? He was a Gun Dealer whose employee was caught allowing Straw Purchases to occur (two recorded by camera during a BATFE sting). This same employee rolled on his boss to save his own worthless skin. But by all accounts the employee went through the required training but just did not put 2-and-2 together.

    The FFL Holder and Class 3 Dealer and was never present on any of the incidents and had no knowledge of the crimes. He was a former Marine who had a regular job but also ran a Gun Shop from his basement to supplement his income. He ended up taking a plea bargain because the ATF wanted to drag his wife (and co-owner of the Gun Shop) into the crime which she also had no knowledge of.
    Nah, **** him too. Hope he gets AIDS in prison and dies, like all felons deserve. Right, sboza?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle View Post
    Wait a minute, WHAT. . .

    You are for government regulation of NFA items but think seat belt laws are "means to absolute tyranny". . .

    You do realize that there are nations in socialist Europe that don't regulate machine guns and suppressors right?
    I'm not saying it should be the NFA process it is now, just the same level of background check currently present, and MG/AOW/DD aren't in as much of a threat of mass confiscation or AWB retardation, and in the grand scheme of erosion of liberty I'd solve the red tape, election buying, and rampant cronyism long before spending huge amounts of political capital on one subset of firearms where overcoming the bias of an ignorant public is required.

    Onto the swiss side, registration of arms and ammunition is a lot more plausible as a non-threat with a culture that reinforces the public militia as a bulwark of sovereignty, in the environment and designs of gungrabbing assholes, ammo registration can really only be viewed as a backdoor means of gun grabbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuietShootr View Post
    Nah, **** him too. Hope he gets AIDS in prison and dies, like all felons deserve. Right, sboza?
    My God, why don't you go away until you can back up some of your BS as many forum members here have asked you to.

    I don't know why you are such an angry little man. Seriously dude, I think you need to get laid. Nothing else explains this level of sillyness on your part.

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