Comparison Chart of Major AR Brands

**rob_s** · 08-06-07, 16:03

Originally Posted by Skintop911

I've already seen a reference to "buying from the left." One wonders if such a reference will be as commonplace as references to tiers.

Maybe I should re-orient the chart then. I'd hate to think of anyone buying anything from "the left".

**Robb Jensen** · 08-06-07, 16:49

Originally Posted by AR15barrels

Is S&W using complete LMT bolt carrier groups, or just LMT carriers?

I did not notice the black extractor buffer being marked on S&W's column, but LMT bolts certainly include them.

Complete LMT BCGs, w/black buffers in the extractor springs and Crane O-rings as well.

**AR15barrels** · 08-06-07, 17:10

Originally Posted by gotm4

Complete LMT BCGs, w/black buffers in the extractor springs and Crane O-rings as well.

So we need to fix that on the chart now too...

I would also re-sort the chart left-right based on the STANDARD features, not with ALL OPTIONS INCLUDED.
Some of the options are user-replaceable items that could of-course be installed on any of the guns that are lacking the features.

**Shihan** · 08-06-07, 17:32

Hey Rob LMT does have the tapered FSB pins. they will also but in a H-buffer if requested.

Thanks

**MerQ** · 08-06-07, 18:12

Originally Posted by rob_s

New version posted.

I guess I'm in the minority who preferred the version with the totals posted with and without the factory options. If someone felt "butt hurt" than that's their issue. I though it was merely and informative thing and not a subjective scoring thing.

Changing the facts would be the equivalent of rewriting history...

**AR15barrels** · 08-06-07, 18:14

Originally Posted by Shihan

Hey Rob LMT does have the tapered FSB pins.

When did this start?

I have seen LMT uppers from as recent as June that do NOT have taper pins.

This picture is from a couple years ago though:

**Robb Jensen** · 08-06-07, 18:41

Originally Posted by AR15barrels

So we need to fix that on the chart now too...

I would also re-sort the chart left-right based on the STANDARD features, not with ALL OPTIONS INCLUDED.
Some of the options are user-replaceable items that could of-course be installed on any of the guns that are lacking the features.

The problem with changing the info for the S&W is that they vary quite a bit depending on when you bought the particular rifle.

Some are Stag/CMT, some are in-betweens and some are clearly purely in house ARs (in house have LMT carriers, unmarked barrels, a roll pin holding on sling loop, CAR handguards, no side-sling loop, un-notched hammers). The newest M&P15-Ts also now have the M4 style Troy front sight without the serrations on the sides of the sight (we got one today).

**AR15barrels** · 08-06-07, 19:47

Originally Posted by gotm4

The problem with changing the info for the S&W is that they vary quite a bit depending on when you bought the particular rifle.

The chart should be for CURRENT production, out-of-the-box rifles, not past models and not models with all the "options added".
This should be "base models", what you would expect to get if you just call up and order, without having to specify anything extra.

If a manufacturer makes updates to their standard offerings that bring them more in-line, then they should see the benefit on the chart.

You could also use the "some reports of not meeting the spec" option for the S&W regarding the black buffer as the early ones would NOT have had it when using stag parts.