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    Hmm.....interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Munch View Post
    A letter of "additional configurations" to an approved Form 4 are not "courtesy" letters. They are legal amendments to your approved Form 4. Further, there are no charges/fees associated with adding a configuration to your approved Form 4.

    I know of no individual who received a letter from NFA Branch, adding a different configuration to an approved Form 4, in less than 12 months during the Bush Administration.

    So because you know of no one, then they don't exist? Do you know everyone in the NFA world?

    Rather, than taking my 2 cents or from any one else, I would suggest seeking a sound legal opinion regarding the question originally posed. Two very knowledgeable attorneys in this area of law are Stephen Halbrook, Esq (http://stephenhalbrook.com/) and Eric Rogers, Esq. (http://www.slk-law.com/home/default.aspx).

    Applying ignorance or "sea lawyer advice" to this particular area of the law can have some very serious consequences.

    Would you also be a "sea lawyer" since you are throwing your thoughts out there as well? Of course, people would be better served by seeking out a legal expert, but that isn't what this forum is about.

    Of course, the easy out is as stated above by MarkM, simply submit a new Form 4 and register another lower for your new/additional NFA upper. You are out an additional $200, but, the time saved could be priceless in today's political environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NetJunkie View Post
    As someone else said, yes you do. That's where the ATF examiner said to do it.

    Also, FOR THOSE THAT ARE GOING THE TRUST ROUTE READ THIS: New rule. You have to engrave the ENTIRE TRUST NAME on the receiver..no abbreviations, period. New rule. My Form 1s got kicked back for that and I talked to my examiner last week. They just had a class by the Technology division..no more abbreviations. No initials...no ABC Trust. Nothing. Doesn't matter what you put in 4h. It has to be the full name.
    For what it is worth I had my form 1 approved at the end of October 2008 by Andrew Ashton. Box 4a on your form 1 is for additional description and states(Include all numbers and other identifying data which will appear on the firearm). This is the place to put what your engraving will say. I put"CDN RLT" then my city and state. It got approved no questions in three months.
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    Iragunz....nothing is more dangerous than people who can't read and understand the English language as written.

    I wrote "I know of no individual who received a letter from NFA Branch, adding a different configuration to an approved Form 4, in less than 12 months during the Bush Administration." The correct and proper linguistic interpretation of this sentence is all individual requests (I am aware of) for amendments to Form 4 took in excess of 12 months!

    I am not a "sea lawyer"...that is why I offered links to attorneys who are very knowledgeable in national firearm law AND I have contacted in the past for advice.

    Finally, I am a Type 07 FFL holder. If you are not familiar with FFL types, I will save you the effort looking it up in Title 18, United States Code, Chapter 44...."license to manufacture firearms and ammunition (not destructive devices)".

    Going back to the original question, dealing with specific questions regarding Title 26, United States Code, Chapter 53, Internal Revenue Code (National Firearms Act) are best handled by attorneys familiar with both the Code and case law and not relying on anonymous posters to this thread.
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    NetJunkie...AND the depth of the engraving must be a specified depth, .003" (or deeper) and characters must be no smaller than 1/16". Not deep enough, or large enough could be interpreted as not being engraved at all.
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    Orion arms would be a good place for engraving. I think it ran me about $60.00 or so. Super quick and great quality work.

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    Originally Posted by Munch
    A letter of "additional configurations" to an approved Form 4 are not "courtesy" letters. They are legal amendments to your approved Form 4. Further, there are no charges/fees associated with adding a configuration to your approved Form 4.

    I know of no individual who received a letter from NFA Branch, adding a different configuration to an approved Form 4, in less than 12 months during the Bush Administration.
    I got a caliber change amendment done in less than 60 days.

    Trick is to get someone to get it out of the stack and fix it for you. I was told interns process those only in the summer and that is wy the take so long.

    I would give my contacts name but she might cut me off

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    I know what you wrote and I think I have a pretty good grasp on the English language and comprehension. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Munch View Post
    Iragunz....nothing is more dangerous than people who can't read and understand the English language as written.

    I wrote "I know of no individual who received a letter from NFA Branch, adding a different configuration to an approved Form 4, in less than 12 months during the Bush Administration." The correct and proper linguistic interpretation of this sentence is all individual requests (I am aware of) for amendments to Form 4 took in excess of 12 months!

    I am not a "sea lawyer"...that is why I offered links to attorneys who are very knowledgeable in national firearm law AND I have contacted in the past for advice.

    Finally, I am a Type 07 FFL holder. If you are not familiar with FFL types, I will save you the effort looking it up in Title 18, United States Code, Chapter 44...."license to manufacture firearms and ammunition (not destructive devices)".

    Yes, I know what a Type 07 FFL is, as I have an associate who is one.

    Going back to the original question, dealing with specific questions regarding Title 26, United States Code, Chapter 53, Internal Revenue Code (National Firearms Act) are best handled by attorneys familiar with both the Code and case law and not relying on anonymous posters to this thread.



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    Iraqgunz...bottom line, STAY SAFE!

    I just returned from a 4 month deployment at Speicher.

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    We just took over the security ops up there. Take care.



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    My question is let’s say you have multiple Sbr lowers and uppers but also multiple reg 16in plus rifles , what about lowers that are not fully built like no trigger or stock , Wouldn’t the lowers have to be in “ useable configuration “ ? Or do stripped lowers fall into that intent ? All hypothetical scenarios here
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