Hk usp .45 or S&w m&p .45

TacWick · #1 05-21-12, 21:13

So I recently got into handguns, been ar15 all my life but everyone needs a sidearm. I recently asked which caliber and got mainly 9mm because of ammo cosy, me being a noob to handguns, and modern bullets evening up firepower. But im a big boy, and wanted big bore, so I got both! I got a s&w m&p 9 coming so now I need my 45. The reason I went with s&w is I see them everywhere, range , classes, costa. Seems to be the new koolaid so im sipping it. My question is should I stick with smith for my 45 or change it up. Hks are the some of the best sh*t since sliced bread. This gun will be strick carry, home defense, and end of the world zombies or china invading. Now I know hk usp is quality, dependable, combat proven and should out live me if I buy brand new. But is it worth the extra cheddar? I know money should never be an object when its for something your putting your life and family life in but ive been told that the smith will do just as good job. So what you think, usp or m&p.

Magazine capacity doesnt matter I dont live in free america (new yorkistan)

Also I know the Hk45 is the new and improved but also is expensive

M&p will be 570 and USP will be 772

DocGKR · #2 05-21-12, 21:23

Since you already have an M&P, stick with that system.

madisonsfinest · #3 05-21-12, 21:26

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Originally Posted by DocGKR

Since you already have an M&P, stick with that system.

the best advice here

TacWick · #4 05-21-12, 21:31

Thanks for the quick response guys. Now do you say I should stick with the m&p because im new to handguns it will be less confusing switching systems and better practice? Also DocGKR why do you think I should just get another 9 rather than 45? For ammo purposes and accesories?

Blstr88 · #5 05-21-12, 21:32

Ive never owned an M&P, so I cant speak for it...

But my H&K USP 45 is hands down my favorite pistol. There are a few more rare pistols I have that Id never sell too, but I will literally hold on to this one for the rest of my life.

I tell everyone: if you can afford an H&K you will NOT be disappointed. If you dont want to spend $1200 on a pistol there are tons of great ~$500 options that won't let you down either. Its really a matter of what you want to spend, however there IS a reason H&Ks are x2+ more costly than all the other brands...

badness · #6 05-21-12, 21:35

I would say HK. That thing has been around for nearly 20 years and it's still one of the most rugged weapons out there. If you were getting 2 handguns in teh same caliber, i'd say get a 2nd m&p since you'd already have mags etc. However since you're going with a different caliber, i say go for the HK. You can use the m&p for carry and HD. You can use the HK for when the zombies come.

TacWick · #7 05-21-12, 21:36

How is the grip on the hk usp? Ive heard its like a block. I got average sized hands. Also why is your round backwords in your magazine?

Abraxas · #8 05-21-12, 21:38

The USP is a great gun, but Doc was dead on. Since you already have an M&P stick with that. The M&P is a great shooting .45.

badness · #9 05-21-12, 21:44

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Originally Posted by TacWick

How is the grip on the hk usp? Ive heard its like a block. I got average sized hands. Also why is your round backwords in your magazine?

It's an inside joke for anyone who's ever seen the ad that hk put out years ago. There was an ad in a magazine and the idiot photographer put the round in the mag backwards. Thus a new inside joke was born.

Can't really speak for the grip for anyone but myself. I wear XL-XXL gloves and the size is fine for me. But i also own a sig too which is also considered blocky as hell.

Plan · #10 05-21-12, 22:04

Another M&P9 or M&P45 makes more sense if you want to dedicate your training time to a single platform.

Blstr88 · #11 05-21-12, 22:09

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Originally Posted by TacWick

How is the grip on the hk usp? Ive heard its like a block. I got average sized hands. Also why is your round backwords in your magazine?

When I first laid eyes on the fullsize H&K USP I almost laughed at how huge it looked. I have small hands and didnt think for a second it would be comfortable in them. I was dead wrong. Its a large pistol, no doubt about that but the feel even in my small hands is superb.

There is also H&K USP Compacts available if you had your heart set on H&K but thought the fullsize was too large.

badness hit it on the head, its an H&K inside joke. If you get one you can take pictures when your magazine loaded backwards too

In all seriouness though, Im not trying to talk you away from an M&P...there is obvious value to having the same platform for your 2 pistols, but for me I prefer having and shooting a variety of pistols. If you're looking to use them for serious training it might make sense to stick with two M&Ps, but if you just enjoy shooting and collecting its fun to have different guns. Just my $0.02!

The difference in price is something to consider as well. An H&K will run you $1000 at least, an M&P is down around the $500 or so range. If thats not an issue for you then good to go, but with a price difference like that its worth considering. H&K USP 45 mags are also about $40-$50 each new too. Im not sure what M&P mags cost, but I'd guess in the $25 range.

F-Trooper05 · #12 05-21-12, 22:52

You'll save yourself a lot of hassle and money if you avoid the childish collector phase that most of us have gone through (and some are still in) and just stick with one system.

TacWick · #13 05-21-12, 22:56

Well damn, you guys arent helping ha ha. Everyone makes good points. I unserstand using the same system. And I will be training with both but the .45 will receive more training from classes since I plan for that to be my home and carry caliber. The m&p 9 I will train with as well but I got mainly for just shooting as ammo is cheapet. Decision decisions. im leaning toward.... Both. More advice please

badness · #14 05-21-12, 23:10

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Originally Posted by TacWick

Well damn, you guys arent helping ha ha. Everyone makes good points. I unserstand using the same system. And I will be training with both but the .45 will receive more training from classes since I plan for that to be my home and carry caliber. The m&p 9 I will train with as well but I got mainly for just shooting as ammo is cheapet. Decision decisions. im leaning toward.... Both. More advice please

Meh, I don't know what to tell you. Getting a .45 m&p is the most practical. however Since you're new to handguns, you won't really know what you like until you shoot all different kinds. I own 10 handguns. It wasn't until i owned 8 or 9 of them did I really know which two types of handguns that I really like. Those are 1911's and DA/SA.

TacWick · #15 05-21-12, 23:44

That was exactly what I needed to hear. I dont know what il like so I should try different systems. Since the m&p is dao il get a sa/da hk. USP it is and if I like dao I can always add the lem trigger kit. Thanks badass, you have eased my mind

loupav · #16 05-21-12, 23:55

Normally I would steer you in the direction of Teutonic polymer, but in this case I am going to agree with most members here and say stick with the M&P since you already have one.

OR, Sell the M&P and go all HK.

That is a sexy pic Blster.

TacWick · #17 05-22-12, 00:00

I agree with you. One system is much more practical. But my m&p is not here yet so I am not sure I will like it. Afte1 I have shot both enough I will make my decision and sell which ever and stick with one system. I will let you all know when I get them and post some pics at the range. Thanks for your help and input

djmorris · #18 05-22-12, 08:59

I'd go with the USP45. It's a classic handgun and you gotta own at least one HK!! Not to mention it's utterly reliable, built like a tank, and accurate to boot.

MP9 · #19 05-22-12, 09:39

so, basically you dont need advice, you need confirmation to buy new and different guns..

you should wait for your m&p9, practice shoot it. probably you can rent the m&p45 as well as the HK..shoot it before you buy it and shoot your m&p9 before thinking about getting a new one..

as you are new to handguns, it would be better to practice and invest money in 9mm rounds... the .45 rounds are more expensive.maybe after a while and learning the basics of handguns, get the 45..

change platform affect the proficient, if the trigger is different that could affect unless you only care shooting slow at the range.

I have a m&p9 and g19. most of the time at competition I use the m&p and when I start switching handguns between matches I start to screw it up. trigger, trigger reset, sight pictures.

I want a 45 but not for now.. and probably I'll get the m&p..

Gary1911A1 · #20 05-22-12, 10:33

I have both the M&P45 and the HK45 and between them would pick the M&P as I shoot it better due to a better grip, low bore axis, and a better trigger even out of the box. Add Apex Trigger Parts and the improvement is truly significant and worth every penny. Magazines are also about 1/2 and less and holsters are easier to find. Plus if you do have a problem S&W CS is the best and will pay shipping both ways.