Active shooting: Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida

[glocktogo]

I have long been a proponent of single-officer response. I'm not defending the Deputy, I believe he should have radioed his entry point and gone to the sound of gunfire.

But, I am not sure that the majority of agencies have trained and/or codified single officer response.

Not too many years ago the tactics taught were 3 to 5 officer contact teams made up from arriving officers.

It didn't take long for folks to realize that waiting for 3 or 4 officers to arrive was a no go in most jurisdictions, especially smaller ones.

Our Academy taught a two officer response, when I was doing the training their was a strong emphasis on 'you will probably have to go alone if you are going to have any chance of saving lives.'

Once again, I'm not defending the Deputy, he should have gone, but in all fairness, I think we need to consider the response model in which the Deputy had been trained.

If the SO's active shooter training model is two or more officer contact teams, then the Sheriff need's to own up to the response model Deputies were trained in, and let the chips fall where they may.

JMO

I went through "Hall Boss" a LONG time ago. My agency's 2 man tactics for active shooter response has been SOP for at least a decade now. If I had a nickel for every time our Chief Deputy has said, "you might have to go in alone and if so, it sucks to be you on that day but that's what we pay you for", well I'd have a pretty decent nickel collection. If that isn't what Sheriff Scott Israel's agency has been training, then just add it to the long list of his failures justifying his resignation.

Im not defending the SRO here but I had heard elsewhere that the deputy at the school had been with the department since like 1985, which leads me to believe that the position of SRO was considered by the department to be some sort of cushy pre-retirement gig for the dude to just quietly ride out the latter years of his career. Going forward, perhaps the position should be filled by a somewhat younger, more "aggressive" sort of deputy as opposed to one primarily concerned with just padding his bank account in the years leading up to his impending retirement.

It's called the ROAD Program (Retired On Active Duty), and it's repugnant.

[WillBrink]

Not sure if this should be its own thread, but here's Scott's plan to address this event and news laws in FL:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/us/fl...rms/index.html

[Rogue556]

The SRO at the high school I attended was there because he was a **** up who's older brother got him the job. They planted his fat ass at the school so he could cause as little issue as possible. I mean the guy was clueless. I used to count the drug deals going down literally behind his back between classes.

The SRO at my high school was identical. We used to bribe him with free food to let us sneak on and off campus. At some point they must have caught on that he wasn't doing s**t because he was fired. About six months after he was let go we had a large drug bust by undercover LEO's possing as students (like no s**t 21st Jump Street style) and a lot of people were busted. I have to wonder if the undercover LEO in the school had him removed after seeing how pointless he was.

[SteyrAUG]

Absolutely, I'm just thinking that the SRO position was unofficially where they put their less "motivated" personnel. I'm going to guess that the deputy at the school already didn't exactly have a reputation as a man of action. Certainly a personal failure on the part of the deputy, but potentially also a failure by the department to put the right kind of guy in the position.

Honestly, unless they've done it before, you never really know who is going to step up and who is going to duck down when the shooting starts. I've been surprised by outcomes more than a few times. When I used to have access to AARs at BCC I read about 10 years worth of shooting outcomes, it was enlightening.

[RHINOWSO]

Looks like Scott Peterson was one of 4 Coward County Deputies to sit around while the slaughter happened.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/polit...ies/index.html

"When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

With direction from the Broward deputies who were outside, Coral Springs police soon entered the building where the shooter was. New Broward County Sheriff's deputies arrived on the scene, and two of those deputies and an officer from Sunrise, Florida, joined the Coral Springs police as they went into the building.

Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school , Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It's unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived.

The resentment among Coral Springs officials toward Broward County officials about what they perceived to be a dereliction of duty may have reached a boiling point at a vigil the night of February 15, where, in front of dozens of others, Coral Springs City Manager Mike Goodrum confronted Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel. A source familiar with the conversation tells CNN that Goodrum was upset that the Broward deputies had remained outside the school while kids inside could have been bleeding out, among other reasons."

[Renegade]

Looks like it was more than one Coward:

"Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school, Coral Springs sources tell CNN."

Could have been BCSO finest moment, instead they will forever be enshrined in the Hall of Shame.

[Dist. Expert 26]

And, just like that, the narrative no longer fits. Back to your regularly scheduled "muh Russians" programming.

Seriously though, every officer involved should be fired. Their training officers should be fired. And the sheriff should absolutely be fired.

[kerplode]

Seriously though, every officer involved should suck-start their service weapon. Their training officers should be beaten. And the sheriff should absolutely be ****ed in the eye-socket with a sharp stick.

FIFY.

When seconds count, Broward Co Sheriff's dept is sitting outside with their thumbs in their asses.

#guillotine18

[RHINOWSO]

FIFY.

When seconds count, Broward Co Sheriff's dept is sitting outside with their thumbs in their asses.

#guillotine18

[Renegade]

When seconds count, Broward Co Sheriff's dept is sitting outside with their thumbs in their asses.

When seconds count, Broward Co Sheriff's dept is sitting outside safe and sound waiting for another department to come and run to gunfire and save their kids.

FIFY.