Aggressive Homeless People

[titsonritz]

I won't give them shit except an ass whooping if they insist upon it. I am constantly throwing these lowlifes off the property where I work. I've flat out caught them shooting-up their shit, drinking, pissing, littering (gabage cans no more that 50 feet away), letting their pitbulls shit everywhere, passed-out and even trying to set up camp sites and start fires.

WTF you turd this is private property what do you think you're doing? Came pretty close to pulling my pistol a couple of times when they have gotten aggressive. Had one guy a couple weeks ago yelling and screaming at the top of he lungs how he was going to kill me the whole time he back backpedaling down the road to the point were multiple people from adjacent businesses started coming out to see what all the racket was about, several called the police. Pure slime. I got no use for them what so ever.

Years ago, when I was perhaps a little more friendly toward these poor unfortunate souls, I was moving to another and had limited space in the rig so I had four bags of misc canned food, some bread and even a couple six packs of beer I was going to donate to the local food back. I saw a group of these guys hanging out in a large super market parking lot doing their "gimme thing", I went up to them and gave them the bags food and stuff. They seemed somewhat grateful and I went on my merry way thinking I had done my good deed for the day. A few hours later I had to go back to the store for something (don't even remember what) and I see no bums, nothing but opened cans, empty beer cans, the bags the stuff was in, it looked like the dump. I was so ****ing pissed. I went over clean up those cunt's mess, there were no less than three garbage cans less the hundred feet away each. That was the last time I gave shit to those maggots. F*** them.

[vicious_cb]

I am a big fan of just doing the Craig Douglas "fence hands" and telling them "Sorry, I can't help you." That sounds good on the police report, if they become aggressive.

If they do become aggressive, then I am also a fan of the Chuck Haggard "Wall o' Pepper Spray". I've got a Sabre Red Spitfire pepper spray dispenser pretty much all the time. Laying down a cloud of pepper spray between me and the aggressive panhandler works well. Chuck taught me that, and I have only had to do it one time. The person in question said a very loud "EFF THAT!" and went in the opposite direction from me.

Problem solved, problem staying solved.

The fog dispensers work a lot better than the stream or especially the foam ones for building a chemical wall, then beating feet.

Agreed, more people need to take Craig's ECQC's class. People think pepper spray is for female joggers, but its an invaluable tool in the escalation of force. Pulling a gun on an unarmed homeless person will absolutely land you in court for manslaughter.

[austinN4]

...... I see no bums, nothing but opened cans, empty beer cans, the bags the stuff was in, it looked like the dump. I was so ****ing pissed. I went over clean up those cunt's mess, there were no less than three garbage cans less the hundred feet away each. That was the last time I gave shit to those maggots. F*** them.

Got that same problem near where i live.

[SteyrAUG]

Pulling a gun on an unarmed homeless person will absolutely land you in court for manslaughter.

Nonsense. Maybe in your state, but in FL unarmed aggressive individuals get shot and the shooter often isn't even arrested let alone charged. If the guy got our of his car to pepper spray the aggressor he probably would have been in more trouble as he left the safety of his car to confront his attacker.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...law-mike-dutko

Not trying to dismiss your point about LTL to LF escalation, but very few things are absolutes and in states with SYG laws it really comes down to "fear of imminent death or serious injury." Once somebody crosses that line, so long as you are not engaged in any kind of illegal behavior, all bets are off.

[vicious_cb]

Nonsense. Maybe in your state, but in FL unarmed aggressive individuals get shot and the shooter often isn't even arrested let alone charged. If the guy got our of his car to pepper spray the aggressor he probably would have been in more trouble as he left the safety of his car to confront his attacker.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...law-mike-dutko

Not trying to dismiss your point about LTL to LF escalation, but very few things are absolutes and in states with SYG laws it really comes down to "fear of imminent death or serious injury." Once somebody crosses that line, so long as you are not engaged in any kind of illegal behavior, all bets are off.

Let me clarify, you may not be charged with a crime but you will be sued so be prepared for tens of thousands of dollars legal fees, losing your job, becoming a pariah in your own community. When I read comments about people "about to pull a gun" on some homeless people for shitting and pissing on their property. That lack of understanding about the aftermath of a shooting really needs to be looked at more often.

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[kenny256]

A friend and me were sitting outside eating at a McDonald's.

A guy walked up and asked for some money so he can get something to eat. I told him I would go buy him anything on the menu and told me no.

I told him that makes no sense unless you just want drugs, cigs or beer. He walked on and 5 minutes later he came back.

I bought him a burger and a fries.

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[SeriousStudent]

Agreed, more people need to take Craig's ECQC's class. People think pepper spray is for female joggers, but its an invaluable tool in the escalation of force. Pulling a gun on an unarmed homeless person will absolutely land you in court for manslaughter.

Indeed, I have often said that if you care about someone, you will get them to at least take Craig's "Managing Unknown Contacts" class. And everyone I have ever spoken to calls ECQC a life changer. He is definitely one of the very best trainers around, and should be on everyone's short list to train with.

Chuck did a great presentation at this year's Rangemaster Tactical Conference called "Between Harsh Words and a Gun". It was an excellent demo on how pepper spray provides a useful tool in one's ability manage conflict.

And everyone needs to be very familiar with their state and local laws, where ever they are. If you travel somewhere, you'd damn well better at least read their law regarding use of deadly force.

[SteyrAUG]

Let me clarify, you may not be charged with a crime but you will be sued so be prepared for tens of thousands of dollars legal fees, losing your job, becoming a pariah in your own community. When I read comments about people "about to pull a gun" on some homeless people for shitting and pissing on their property. That lack of understanding about the aftermath of a shooting really needs to be looked at more often.

Well once again, not always. In fact FL SYG laws specifically protect you from being sued. Again, not trying to dismiss or diminish the point you are making, just saying it doesn't always apply.

The key in your example is homeless people pissing or shitting on your property probably doesn't satisfy the "in imminent fear of death or serious injury" qualifier. That said, if you go run said homeless person OFF of your property and in the process they become confrontational and aggressive and satisfy the qualifications for deadly force in SYG state such as FL, well then that person is going to be pissing with Patrick Lavoie.

Now if you happen to reside in CA, NY or a few other states, very different rules apply. But in FL Lavoie is dead even though he never physically even touched Murdock and not only was Murdock never arrested or charged, he was never sued and the only aftermath of the deadly force shooting was giving police a statement of events and then going home to eat dinner. I don't think he ever even retained a lawyer.

This is also why Zimmerman was initially not arrested, it was only when it looked like his statement "might" not be factual that he was arrested and investigated.

[Arik]

Worst for me was Philly, circa 2002-04.

Never gave money, but if a guy was sleeping on a grate in winter at 11pm as I headed home from a date, I'd give him my left over take-home.

I never found Philly homeless to be a problem. Most either stand at intersections waiting for a motorist to give them some change or they sit by a building with a cup or hat out for change. Have never ran into aggressive homeless or even packs of homeless. The only time I can remember seeing more than one was when the city shut down the Byberry mental hospital and let out all those who had no relatives. But that was in the early 90s. I think it closed in 91 and for a few years after there'd be the same 2 or 3 people standing at that intersection on the boulevard


There's been a few times when I bought food or gas for someone but I don't give money. About a year ago I stopped by WAWA on a Saturday night to get some coffee (for those that don't know WAWA is like a 711 only better. Like Sheetz). A kid standing outside by the trash can was asking for money to buy food. He definitely had some sort of physical handicap. Very skinny legs and was using those crutches that grip around the bicep and have a handle to hold onto. Anyway, I didn't give him money but I walked in and ordered a large turkey sandwich with extra turkey and everything. Got a large ice tea and gave it to him on the way out. He said thanks but seemed a little shocked that someone got him food

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[Caduceus]

At that time they were pretty aggressive and persistent. To put in perspective, I had moved from L.A., so I knew about homeless.

The only place they were actually cool was in fron of the shelter, literally across the street from my then girlfriend.