NEW Federal Hydra-Shok Deep

[1168]

And you guys don't think that there isn't any barrier with the same consistency or hardness that's similar to partially frozen meat? .

I don’t care if there is. The difference between scientific testing and backyard Bubba bull$£!+ is repeatability. How do you validate shooting through a piece of meat at an unknown stage of thawing?

There are protocols for testing ammo in order to produce repeatable results that allow us to compare brand x vs brand y bullets.

If I tested a novel drug by injecting it into a lizard’s eyeball and concluded that in pill form it would make you bench another 10%, would you take it?

[MegademiC]

Some hollow points perform perfectly in some instances and fail in others. There isn't a hollow point out there yet that expands as much as it can while penetrating 18 inches through all barriers. (Including cold meat or sheet metal like shown below).

I agree with that, but based on the advertisement and hydrashock history, id be shocked if this was an improvement over hst or gold dot.

[wtm75]

I don’t care if there is. The difference between scientific testing and backyard Bubba bull$£!+ is repeatability. How do you validate shooting through a piece of meat at an unknown stage of thawing?

There are protocols for testing ammo in order to produce repeatable results that allow us to compare brand x vs brand y bullets.

If I tested a novel drug by injecting it into a lizard’s eyeball and concluded that in pill form it would make you bench another 10%, would you take it?

To discount backyard testing is saying that encounters on the street will be in the same controlled 65 degree environment as in an FBI ballistics lab. I prefer myself to see backyard testing. The HST passed the sheet metal test during FBI testing but didn't in this dude's backyard at 20 degrees while snowing. It plugged up and failed to expand. Whether barrel length, temperature, or the density of the sheet metal caused the failure, the fact is that it did fail. And I would have never known that it could fail unless some dude in his backyard in the real world did it.

I'd much rather see the shot go through the metal and then the gel to actually see if it expanded or plugged up than read the numbers on some paper saying that it passed.

[Tokarev]

To discount backyard testing is saying that encounters on the street will be in the same controlled 65 degree environment as in an FBI ballistics lab. I prefer myself to see backyard testing. The HST passed the sheet metal test during FBI testing but didn't in this dude's backyard at 20 degrees while snowing. It plugged up and failed to expand. Whether barrel length, temperature, or the density of the sheet metal caused the failure, the fact is that it did fail. And I would have never known that it could fail unless some dude in his backyard in the real world did it.

I'd much rather see the shot go through the metal and then the gel to actually see if it expanded or plugged up than read the numbers on some paper saying that it passed.

Have you seen many bullets fired through sheet metal and auto glass? Most are badly damaged after passing through these barriers. It isn't uncommon at all to see hollow point bullets end up looking like some sort of crunched full wadcutter afterwards.

Most everything will lose a pretty good amount of weight too. I recently tried a Speer 124gr 9mm Gold Dot against AS1 laminated glass. Recovered weight was about 106 grains.

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[ABNAK]

Let's just say that until something better comes along I'll stick with HST 147gr +P in my 9mm's. In the one .40 I have left I have 180gr HST loaded.

I have yet to see a better loading in just about any handgun caliber (except 357Sig, where I'll take the Underwood 125gr Sierra's I have, which they don't make anymore and I don't have a gun in that caliber anymore either!).

[shadowrider]

Yeah, no kidding!

That reminds me of an article I read a number of years ago. In England they were testing jet engines for bird strikes, so in their lab they were launching chickens (like from the grocery store, not live ones) into the jet turbines to simulate hitting a big one. They were aghast and perplexed because these chickens were causing catastrophic engine damage, completely penetrating all the way through the fans and out the backside. Supposedly they contacted the FAA over here to pick their brains as well as give them a heads-up to what they had found. The Americans asked for the test protocol to be sent to them and then they looked things over. Apparently a few days later a phone call back across the pond went something like this: "Uh, did you know that you're not supposed to use frozen chickens?"

After watching that video I was going to post exactly this. Good thing I read the thread huh?

And as far as I can tell the frozen deer shoulder (looked pretty solid to me) correlates to exactly nothing in real world testing. Unless one is hunting zombie deer above the arctic circle?

[Diamondback]

Whoa, now I'm having flashbacks to the old Marshall/Sanow vs Fackler "Morgue Monster and Jello Junkie" wars of the '80s to early '00s... granted, the discussion with Mas Ayoob was in a context of handguns, but his recommendation was to look for loads that performed well both in the gelatin block and on the autopsy table, you might say "overlap in a Venn Diagram."

[bfoosh006]

I am just going to throw this out there... but could this New Hydra Shok be a result of any of Federals XM1153 load development ?

I was wondering about the Bonded version of the Winc. "9mm Winchester Ranger Bonded Hollow Point 147 grain - Z-RA9B"... as well.
https://www.sgammo.com/product/winch...7-grain-z-ra9b

[Todd.K]

You can't just say because it passed FBI tests it works in 100 percent of all cases. That's my point. Nothing more. Nothing less.

No, but FBI protocol tested ammo performs as consistently as possible, through common barriers, and many have been extensively compared to actual shooting results.

[1168]

I am just going to throw this out there... but could this New Hydra Shok be a result of any of Federals XM1153 load development ?

Now, that would be interesting.