Trump directs Justice Dept to "ban all devices" like bump stocks

[moonshot]

Until I hear something much worse than banning bump stocks I’m not going to get too wound up.

Granted this is a crushing blow to sister humping, mouth breathing window lickers who are the primary customers for bump stocks or binary triggers. I suppose we should all fight tooth and nail to defend the bubba-stock on principle, but to be honest I have a tough time thinking of any valid use for a bump stock under the 2nd Amendment.

A bump stock is not a device that makes a potential citizen soldier’s carbine more effective as a carbine. If anything a bump stock is an antithetical add on to what we would all consider to be an effective fighting rifle or carbine. Effective to all of us is a weapon that is user friendly allowing the shooter to quickly and accurately deliver hits to a threat. A part that renders the weapon an inaccurate, less reliable “bullet hose” incapable of discriminate accurate fire is highly undesirable.

Obviously we need not discuss the merits of a bump stock on a hunting arm. One because that is just stupid, and two because the 2nd Amendment isn’t about hunting.

So, I’m ambivalent about the bump stock being regulated or banned. What I’d like to see is legislation banning the bump stock in exchange for things we want. Like suppressors no longer on NFA, and CCW reciprocity nation wide.

This ^^^ 100%

And for those who think Hillary wouldn't have been worse - give me a break.

She would have had the House, the Senate, and worst - the last Supreme Court pick (plus multiple Federal Judges by this time).

Trump was not my pick when he was seeking the nomination. Once it became clear who the candidates were, the choice was clear.

[Honu]

IF they said OK ban the bump stock BUT

suppressors can now be bought as an accessory and require no paperwork nothing !

that IMHO would be a OK deal


but agree giving and not getting something better is a bad deal and he is supposed to be Mr deal ? so where is the upside ?

unless something we do not see this stinks

[elephant]

So, by that definition we need to move the handgun purchasing age to 24? Screw that.

No, 21 to purchase any gun. 21 is a good age, your not a teenager anymore nor are your problems "teenage" problems. I just think in todays time, there needs to be a cool down transitional period between high school teenagers and becoming a young man or woman. The last shooting, the suspect was 19 and was still holding on to high school bull shit! Let these who are getting out of high school adapt to adulthood for 3-4 years, they can put the high school day behind them and move on.

Recent School shootings.
Nikolas Cruz - 19
Adam Lanza - 20
Jeff Weise - 16
Dylan Klebold - 18
Eric Harris - 18
Dylan Roof -21
The motives for all have to due with emotions from high school bullshit, Dylan chose the church over high school school because of security reasons.

with an execption to:
Seung-Hui Cho - 23
Charles Whitman - 23
both shootings were at a State University

[Averageman]

It's all conjecture at this point isn't it?
No Bill, nothing written on paper, just a "Hey Jeff, let's look at this bumper stock thing again."
I'm not too concerned.
If we have anything to be concerned about, it's the House and Senate and they are unlikely to fold.
The BATFE who seem to enjoy legislating from an appointed office might want to look at how things are working at the FBI right now. Keeping to the original ruling and backing it with a clear concise reason why would be smart.
Sessions would seem to be in a precarious position. It may be the straw that broke the camel's back for him.
I don't think anything is going to change.

[joeg26er]

"ban the device that was used..."

I think the main advantage was the tall building. That's a good idea to ban those.

all kidding aside - why aren't we deluging the whitehouse.gov site with petitions?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/#signapetition

[THCDDM4]

Hillary absolutely would have been worse.
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Screw anyone caving to further gun control demands BUT claims to support or understand the 2nd amendment and what individual liberty is and why the foundation of this country was built upon it.

2A is the most clear and concise statement ever. The intent behind the entire BOR is spelled out in detail amongst the writings of the founding fathers. The Federalist papers, George Washingtons farewell address and so on.

That there is any question of the what or why behind the 2A is disingenuous and wrong.

You either stand your ground or give it up. No in between.

Look at all the gun control and restrictions we have on the books. How many laws that infringe upon 2A. Most who take the oath to the Cobstitution- enforce these laws and we allow them to be enforced by complying, but that doesn't make it right.

False compromises have gotten us nothing. Lost a lot though.

I don't care what it is you want to buy or do. As long as you aren't infringing on the rights of others, have a nice day. Do as you please. Allow me to do the same.

It's sickening to see a group turn on each other by not standing up for one another because of a mere choice of what products they buy and use, and you don't use them so who cares?

Used to be men stood together on what was right and just despite petty differences. There used to be more freedom, too. I doubt that's a coincidence.

[SteyrAUG]

And for those who think Hillary wouldn't have been worse - give me a break.

No kidding, we would literally be getting the Clinton Ban back and forever.

No, 21 to purchase any gun. 21 is a good age, your not a teenager anymore nor are your problems "teenage" problems. I just think in todays time, there needs to be a cool down transitional period between high school teenagers and becoming a young man or woman. The last shooting, the suspect was 19 and was still holding on to high school bull shit! Let these who are getting out of high school adapt to adulthood for 3-4 years, they can put the high school day behind them and move on.

Recent School shootings.
Nikolas Cruz - 19
Adam Lanza - 20
Jeff Weise - 16
Dylan Klebold - 18
Eric Harris - 18
Dylan Roof -21
The motives for all have to due with emotions from high school bullshit, Dylan chose the church over high school school because of security reasons.

with an execption to:
Seung-Hui Cho - 23
Charles Whitman - 23
both shootings were at a State University

I couldn't more strongly disagree. I think I purchased my first rifle when I was 14 at a gun show, pretty sure I was 16 when I bought a 1911 but in that case they did tell me to go find my Dad to complete the purchase.

I can come up with 10 examples to exclude ANY group based on race, religion or specific affiliation. The Bath School massacre was committed by Andrew Kehoe who was 55 at the time and he blew up a school full of children by planting dynamite in the basement and all because he lost an election.

He held the body count record with 38 dead kids and 6 adults until the Las Vegas shooting and that was only because you had such a concentrate crowd of victims. So it isn't age, video games, mtv or any of that crap. It's a person with severe issues who is willing to randomly kill other people. And the Las Vegas shooter, that asshole was 64 years old.

[elephant]

No kidding, we would literally be getting the Clinton Ban back and forever.



I couldn't more strongly disagree. I think I purchased my first rifle when I was 14 at a gun show, pretty sure I was 16 when I bought a 1911 but in that case they did tell me to go find my Dad to complete the purchase.

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That's why I said "In todays time". 14 year olds today are eating Tide Pods.

[Waylander]

168 people died in the Oklahoma City bombing.

[AKDoug]

No, 21 to purchase any gun. 21 is a good age, your not a teenager anymore nor are your problems "teenage" problems. I just think in todays time, there needs to be a cool down transitional period between high school teenagers and becoming a young man or woman. The last shooting, the suspect was 19 and was still holding on to high school bull shit! Let these who are getting out of high school adapt to adulthood for 3-4 years, they can put the high school day behind them and move on.

Recent School shootings.
Nikolas Cruz - 19
Adam Lanza - 20
Jeff Weise - 16
Dylan Klebold - 18
Eric Harris - 18
Dylan Roof -21
The motives for all have to due with emotions from high school bullshit, Dylan chose the church over high school school because of security reasons.

with an execption to:
Seung-Hui Cho - 23
Charles Whitman - 23
both shootings were at a State University

Adam Lanza stole his firearms from his mother.
Jeff Weise illegally acquired a handgun and then stole his grandfather's guns.
Klebold and Harris illegally acquired their firearms.

If you are making the argument for an older age to purchase firearms you can't use those 21 and over since that is your arbitrary age you use. Why not jack it up to 65 years old since the Vegas shooter was 64. Nobody over the age of 64 has actually committed a mass shooting in the U.S., so that should be the new level.