Oxygen tank... - Page 2

Texas42 · #21 03-03-12, 12:05

Maybe my head isn't thinking clearly, but I can't think of a likely situation where oxygen is going to help a child at a soccor game.

Hmac · #22 03-03-12, 12:35

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Originally Posted by Texas42

Maybe my head isn't thinking clearly, but I can't think of a likely situation where oxygen is going to help a child at a soccor game.

Asthma attack, or congestive heart failure from an undiagnosed congenital heart anomaly, off the top of my head. That said, I agree that the likelihood that emergency oxygen in your vehicle will save some previously-healthy child's life at the soccer field while waiting for EMS is going to be extremely low. In general, everyone is going to be in far more danger driving to and from the soccer field than they are at the soccer field. Probably more cost-effective and more likely life-saving to get helmets and body armor for all the kids in the car.

I can't relate to all this SHTF/EOTWAKI/disaster prepping stuff, but on the scale of things that true believers might want to stock up on, I'm thinking that supplemental O2 would be relatively low on the scale.

MIKE G · #23 03-03-12, 14:45

I had a long response typed up but in the end it doesn't matter. The info the OP was looking for is posted above in my first post. I personally don't see the reason to have O2 on hand unless the kid has some kind of past medical history. Obviously the guy can get his hands on the gear and will likely not get in trouble, ultimately if he does it is on him.

SBushong · #24 03-04-12, 08:16

I used one of these, back in my technical diving days. Obviously, you don't need the case that it comes in. The weigh around four pounds.

http://www.remotemedical.com/Seahors...ble-Airway-Kit

Hmac · #25 03-04-12, 08:43

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Originally Posted by MIKE G

Obviously the guy can get his hands on the gear and will likely not get in trouble, ultimately if he does it is on him.

Yeh, that's the bottom line I guess. We all tend to be "gear accumulators" and logic and need don't necessarily play a role. I agree, I see negligible potential for him to get in any trouble. These devices like eMox will only get you an FIO2 of about 25-30% (compared to room air FIO2 of 21%), and the limited time the supplmental O2 would be available means that it's very unlikely any harm can be done. And if it makes him feel better to have it around, maybe that's a worthwhile expenditure of $300. That's for him to judge. Christ, there are people on this board who think keeping fish antibiotics around is a good idea, for, you know, EOTWAKI.

Hmac · #26 03-04-12, 08:47

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Originally Posted by KJDrake

Looking for a O2 tank that is small enough to put in an early model Camelback BFM. I would like to run 12-15 LPM for 10-15 minutes.

I have already put together the "wounds" pouches, medications, splints and C-collar, etc...and there is still lots of room. I'm primarily going to be using this to keep in the car and for my son's soccer games...there are six games going on at once and no ambulance or medical team in sight. So I at least want to be able to take care of my kid until the bus arrives.

Just looking for something light and compact.

--KJ

Just out of curiosity, are you an actual EMT, or just a medical "hobbyist"?

Iraq Ninja · #27 03-06-12, 00:19

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Originally Posted by Hmac

These devices like eMox will only get you an FIO2 of about 25-30% (compared to room air FIO2 of 21%), and the limited time the supplmental O2 would be available means that it's very unlikely any harm can be done. .

I must respectively suggest that you may be mistaken in regards to this data and emox, based on my experience and testing we did at the Baghdad CSH during the evaluation of this product.

It is not a perfect system, but the readings we got were above 90%. But, flow rate with the emox is basically all or none. It is not a replacement for bottles, just a safer and lighter option for what I consider acceptable perfusion for the trauma we experienced.

We probably had to use it hundreds of times over the past 5 years and the only case I remember it not working was when ice cold water was used. We still preferred to have O2 tanks strapped to the outside of our vehicles, but we trusted the emox as a backup....

Hmac · #28 03-06-12, 07:44

FIO2 is determined by flow rate and the mask being used. A simple mask, such as comes with the Emox unit, will rarely get you to 40% FIO2 at the airway even at 6 l/min Maybe you were using non-rebreather masks, which would indeed likely get to 90%.

How were you actually measuring the FIO2? Maybe we're talking about different things here. Are you referring to the patient's oxygen saturation measured by pulse oximetry?

Tact.medic · #29 03-26-12, 21:23

21% works just fine