Baffled.........

TheGhostRider · #1 01-12-08, 22:40

So I go down to the local meeting spot to talk to some of my acquaintances who are police officers.
Were shootin the shit when the topic turned to ARs. As it turns out they have all "ditched the colts and are going with rock rivers".
At this point I'm intrigued to say the least and I ask why....
"Cause RRA are lower cost and are much higher quality than Colts".
I shit you not. This was the reply I got.
I don't get it..........Have I missed something?

jackinfl · #2 01-12-08, 22:45

find out for me where they are selling those Crappy second class colt's, I'll buy them!

Don Robison · #3 01-12-08, 22:49

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Originally Posted by jackinfl

find out for me where they are selling those Crappy second class colt's, I'll buy them!

I'll buy their second hand sub-par Colt's from them....................at sub-par price of course.
They sound like a wealth of knowledge on the AR

ZGXtreme · #4 01-12-08, 23:00

Sounds like the guys who approved the patrol rifles for my agency. No, you have not missed anything because the information ("knowledge") you were provided is quite far from reality.

Hang-Fire · #5 01-12-08, 23:25

Rock Rivers are very good rifles, but I'd rather have a Colt.

TheGhostRider · #6 01-12-08, 23:26

I almost puked up a little when I heard these comments. I'm actually surprised at the volume of officers who share the same attitude. This is not just a local fad either, it's actually fairly widespread around here.

John_Wayne777 · #7 01-12-08, 23:27

Police departments can get sucked into bad information just as much as anyone else.

Patrick Aherne · #8 01-13-08, 00:49

Working for a police department does not make one an expert in weaponry. As an aside, would you ask a cop what transmission fluid to put in your car, based on what they run in their Crown Vic? Most cops are users, and while they might actually use their weapons, unlike most on TOS, they don't know sheeit other than what it looks like. Fit and finish, you know?

Plus, cops are cheap.

The_Biased_Observer · #9 01-13-08, 01:00

Hey guess what, the Crown Vic is also the most used patrol car.........:

RRA's are fine for use on patrol, they are not fine for 1000 rounds a day uber ultra rifle fighting classes and the like.

Somehow, somewhere someone made the mistake to think all cops are weapons experts and are routinely shooting thousands of rounds a year. For the most part, they aren't.

On a related note, I do know of a certain Federal agency who uses RRA rifles under a contract.

RD62 · #10 01-13-08, 10:11

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Originally Posted by The_Biased_Observer

On a related note, I do know of a certain Federal agency who uses RRA rifles under a contract.

True.

I can think of a few like the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines who use Colt and FN rifles too.

-RD62

rob_s · #11 01-13-08, 11:31

I'm glad someone else mentioned the car thing, because I used to use that example all the time when I worked in a gun shop. A customer would come in and flat insist on one make/model of gun because his brother's wife's cousin was a cop and he had one. I always asked to see their Crown Vic parked outside and they never got the joke.

jar420 · #12 01-13-08, 11:35

Did they mention what makes the RRA better? Not knocking RRA, but a Colt they are not...

I like the patrol car analogy......very good!

TheGhostRider · #13 01-13-08, 12:23

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Originally Posted by jar420

Did they mention what makes the RRA better? Not knocking RRA, but a Colt they are not...

I like the patrol car analogy......very good!

Yes.
1:Fit and finish is much better therefore the quality is also.
2:The DEA buys only the best.
3:No malfunctions ever.

Don't get me wrong.... I am in no-way knocking RRA. They are what they are.

But this group of guys are not what one would consider to be "average".
Most have military backgrounds with excellent "real" credentials.
That's why I'm "baffled". These are not guys who never held a gun until they were in the service or became LEO. These are guys who grew up hunting and shooting.

R.Miksits · #14 01-13-08, 12:33

Jim Zumbo grew up hunting too..........

Robb Jensen · #15 01-13-08, 12:46

They probably went with RRAs because Rock River could deliver them in a reasonable time frame and they were significantly cheaper than Colt. The DEA contract really brought RRA to the mainstream, after that people began thinking they're 'just-as-good-as' Colt.

With a few tweaks here and there a RRA can be a damn good rifle for 99% of the people out there.

Misc Ex-Member · #16 01-13-08, 12:50

Hunter, shooter, .mil service, LEO are not good indicators that someone knows what they are talking about when it comes to AR's.

Most idiotic stupidity re: AR's I've heard has been from cops and guys who were in the Army.

That being said, the guys I've talked to who have known the most about the platform have also been LEO's and .mil ~ however they were serious end-users.

SuicideHz · #17 01-13-08, 13:10

Rob- I like that one! That's much easier than explaining it but I'm sure with these rockheads you WOULD have to explain it if you wanted them to understand...

markm · #18 01-13-08, 13:58

Crown vic is a good car.

SuicideHz · #19 01-13-08, 13:59

yeah for cops and child molesters who want to look like a cop.

Skintop911 · #20 01-13-08, 15:03

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Originally Posted by TheGhostRider

Yes.
1:Fit and finish is much better therefore the quality is also.

As someone else put it... Fit and finish is what people talk about, when they have nothing else to talk about.

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2:The DEA buys only the best.

LMAO

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3:No malfunctions ever.

Safe dwellers, then.

I've seen a bunch of Rock Rivers defecate upon the sheets.

And every gun will malfunction, eventually, when used enough.

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These are not guys who never held a gun until they were in the service or became LEO. These are guys who grew up hunting and shooting.

Some of the worst guns and ammo advice I've ever heard was from folks that "grew up hunting and shooting." With some exceptions, the only things they had of use were their bad examples, where to find game, a few hunting tricks, good recipes, and help carrying/loading/butchering.