"demise of guys"

[chadbag]

I guess some of you guys need to be careful...

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Are video games & porn 'the demise of guys'?


http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/23/health...html?c=&page=1


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[RogerinTPA]

I thought is started with saving a child's self esteem 20+ years ago, now we have a generation of cry baby ass, entitled men. ...

[Moose-Knuckle]

Hah! It's a much deeper rooted subject than merely video games and pornography.

Polictal correctness, dumbing down of our educational system, et al. The engines of social change take hold.

[BrigandTwoFour]

Video games and porn are scapegoats. A convenient PC-ish excuse to target some of the only areas left that are typically dominated by males.

It's no different than past years where sports gatherings, fighting, smoking clubs, or other typically male-dominated activities were demonized.

[mallowpufft]

Is it sad that my first reaction upon seeing the photo for the article was, "really? A 15 yr. old console and they can't even get the kids to hold the controller properly? "

That being said, I'd really like to see the return of smoking clubs and fight clubs. I'd spend a lot more time out of the house.

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[Kfgk14]

I think the total pacification of men and society in general to blame. We're this generation and the 1.5 generations before it have been babied and pandered to and feel entitled to everything.

They don't know a hard day's work because nobody's allowed to put in a hard day's work until they're 16 or 18 years old. They don't understand what it is to earn something. They don't understand the value of personal property, because they don't have to fight for anything. They're taught violence is below civilized people, and that "violence is never the answer" I learned early on that dealing out a good ass-kicking was the ideal solution to a whole array of problems I came to face in my earlier years.
In high school, a kid pulled a knife on me while I was getting in my IH Scout II (damn I miss that truck...off topic, I digress) and under the seat lay an axe handle. A few swings later, the aggressor's squealing like a stuck pig on account of his now-broken hand and me taking his legs out from under him with a well-aimed swipe to the knee.

He never harassed me again. He turned into an alright guy after that, no charges pressed on either side, no action from administration (it was "questionable whether it occurred on school property" so they said it wasn't their jurisdiction), and everyone learned a valuable lesson in the process.

If my son did this today he'd be in cuffs getting a psych analysis before he could drop the axe handle.

[glocktogo]

Want me to stop playing games and watching porn? Lose 50 pounds, serve me a good meal, give me oral sex and halfway pretend you give a shit about what I find interesting. So long as you continue giving me feminist, psychobabble bullshit about how I don't cater to YOUR needs, I'll continue checking out thank you very much!

[theblackknight]

A little less video games filled with more outdoor activities would be a good thing. I havent owned a game console since the og gameboy and dont really miss them.

There was a good article in mens health about the whole culture of womens television with shit shows like the view and lifetime. Why are all lifetime shows about abused women? If someone isnt getting raped or beaten, its not Lifetime material.

http://www.amazon.com/The-War-Agains.../dp/0684849569

[feedramp]

I dunno glocktogo, relationships are about give at least as much as take. If all you're looking for is me me me, it's not surprising some men never graduate to the maturity of manhood and stick with self-serve childish entertainment like videogames and porn.

[theblackknight]

It seems women have a whole culture of self improvement, while the majority of men are content with cruising the couch with a fizzy,light colored piss beer and watching up to 7 hours of pre/post race/game commentary during which non-former-players with sports marketing degrees ramble on about minute facts even a actuary couldnt care about. Mean while women are learning about how to do everything, better.

Keep in mind you,being on this forum, you prob dont count,because you interested in this whole military centric industry of training to improve skill sets. Most men however, are complelely content with sitting,without a thought in thier heads,for 7 hours every sunday. You might think anyone attacking this male institution is part of the very movement we are discussing, but infact, the militant feminazis love you sitting there, doing nothing without a thought in your head. Look at TV shows like King of Queens, or whatever it is. There are others like it, the man,who is almost always fat, is portrayed as a bumbling idiot,and his saving grace in life is a rather foxy,smart, competent in everyway wife who wears the pants and the jacket.

Dont be this

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Originally Posted by glocktogo

Want me to stop playing games and watching porn? Lose 50 pounds, serve me a good meal, give me oral sex and halfway pretend you give a shit about what I find interesting. So long as you continue giving me feminist, psychobabble bullshit about how I don't cater to YOUR needs, I'll continue checking out thank you very much!

Originally Posted by jay35

I dunno glocktogo, relationships are about give at least as much as take. If all you're looking for is me me me, it's not surprising some men never graduate to the maturity of manhood and stick with self-serve childish entertainment like videogames and porn.

I think GTG is onto something. Modern women have been sold the line of modern liberal feminism that says that you don't need a man and they are inferior anyway. Women have lost the ability to get men to do anything. Women used to force men to stand up and achieve things, now women just look down on men and it is reinforced in modern media with the likes of the sitcoms above. Honor and distinction comes from taking a stand and that is incompatible with the metro-sexual, non-partisan/swing-voter, totally PC 'ideal' that gets touted as what a man 'should be'.

My grandfather expected a hot breakfast and dinner everyday and my grandmother expected grandpa to provide for that by whatever means- which sometimes meant two full time jobs. It wasn't that my grandmother was a push-over, she earned her pilots license back in the early 60s deep, down in the south. Good women expect their men to be great, and men expect their women to be worth it- both bringing out the best in each other. I just don't see that anymore. Hell, not being a drunk, gambling, filanderer gets you high marks nowadays.

He can be an ass, but sometimes you just have to bring out your inner Sean Connery.

[glocktogo]

Originally Posted by jay35

I dunno glocktogo, relationships are about give at least as much as take. If all you're looking for is me me me, it's not surprising some men never graduate to the maturity of manhood and stick with self-serve childish entertainment like videogames and porn.

In all seriousness, it SHOULD be a two way street. Don't sit on your fat, lazy ass and expect someone to bring you shit to make you happy, regardless of which sex you happen to be. Go out of your way to make things happen for the better. If you're doing it and your partner isn't, you're an enabler in a co-dependent relationship (people hate it when I point this out).

Video games and porn are perfectly fine, in moderation. Four hours of video games followed by 15 minutes of porn and asleep soon after, isn't moderation.

[armakraut]

Men won't do much of anything above the subsistence level if they can't get a woman that will tickle their fancy.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

What about the demise of women? bitch is never in the kitchen and wont do what I say.

[Kokopelli]

I dunno.. Leah is pretty good looking.. Just saying.. 8)Ron

[Pork Chop]

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

I think GTG is onto something. Modern women have been sold the line of modern liberal feminism that says that you don't need a man and they are inferior anyway. Women have lost the ability to get men to do anything. Women used to force men to stand up and achieve things, now women just look down on men and it is reinforced in modern media with the likes of the sitcoms above. Honor and distinction comes from taking a stand and that is incompatible with the metro-sexual, non-partisan/swing-voter, totally PC 'ideal' that gets touted as what a man 'should be'.

My grandfather expected a hot breakfast and dinner everyday and my grandmother expected grandpa to provide for that by whatever means- which sometimes meant two full time jobs. It wasn't that my grandmother was a push-over, she earned her pilots license back in the early 60s deep, down in the south. Good women expect their men to be great, and men expect their women to be worth it- both bringing out the best in each other. I just don't see that anymore. Hell, not being a drunk, gambling, filanderer gets you high marks nowadays.

He can be an ass, but sometimes you just have to bring out your inner Sean Connery.

We deal with this shit all the time.

My wife & I have a very traditional 1950's family. I work (alot) and she stays home and raises our kids. Not so strange, right? wrong.

You can't believe the bullshit my wife gets from other women about this. Shit like, "I really admire you for trying the stay at home mom thing, but I just need to accomplish more than that" or "It's really quaint that you guys are so Leave it to beaver".

WTF? I don't hear stupid shit like that from other guys. At what point did being a mother to your kids become "quaint"? Maybe that's why their kids are all little bratty assholes.

It seems our society has not only lost the sense of what makes a man a man and a woman a woman, but it looks down its nose at those who still hang on to it.

[theblackknight]

Found the article I read a while ago. This guy nails the whole movement right now.

http://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/plot-against-men

[Failure2Stop]

Discomfort, pain, uncertainty, hunger, exhaustion, and loss, tempered by will and conviction, supported by both failure and success is the foundation of character.

Given that pitifully few male children are exposed to any of those, except for artificial success, it's little surprise that they become nothing more then mewling whelps with anger management problems.

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[SixEight]

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

We deal with this shit all the time.

My wife & I have a very traditional 1950's family. I work (alot) and she stays home and raises our kids. Not so strange, right? wrong.

You can't believe the bullshit my wife gets from other women about this. Shit like, "I really admire you for trying the stay at home mom thing, but I just need to accomplish more than that" or "It's really quaint that you guys are so Leave it to beaver".

WTF? I don't hear stupid shit like that from other guys. At what point did being a mother to your kids become "quaint"? Maybe that's why their kids are all little bratty assholes.

It seems our society has not only lost the sense of what makes a man a man and a woman a woman, but it looks down its nose at those who still hang on to it.

Out of curiosity, how many of those career women are divorced that you know of if they've ever married? If so, I wonder if they even realize that could be why their kids act like brats? I'm not bashing divorcees or women working, just the intentional dismantling and degradation of family.

Originally Posted by glocktogo

In all seriousness, it SHOULD be a two way street. Don't sit on your fat, lazy ass and expect someone to bring you shit to make you happy, regardless of which sex you happen to be. Go out of your way to make things happen for the better. If you're doing it and your partner isn't, you're an enabler in a co-dependent relationship (people hate it when I point this out).

Video games and porn are perfectly fine, in moderation. Four hours of video games followed by 15 minutes of porn and asleep soon after, isn't moderation.

Originally Posted by Failure2Stop

Discomfort, pain, uncertainty, hunger, exhaustion, and loss, tempered by will and conviction, supported by both failure and success is the foundation of character.

Given that pitifully few male children are exposed to any of those, except for artificial success, it's little surprise that they become nothing more then mewling whelps with anger management problems.

I'm not saying my upbringing was perfect by any stretch of the imagination but I started working 40hr/week summers when I was 14 years old (I'm 34 now) for $2 an hour. The kids I went to school with laughed at me because we had home grown vegetables for dinner instead of pizza and burgers. We weren't glued to the TV and had the occasionally meaningful conversation. lol

The made for TV 7 day marriage reality shows and Desperate Housewives make it the norm for too many people. Not to mention the fu-fu and emasculated men the women carry around. To hear them tell it these men are the strong ones because they aren't afraid to get in touch with their feminine side. I'm a GUY -- I don't have a feminine side! That's like me asking my wife to act more butch.

TV has been around for decades but you haven't seen it causing a 'demise of guys' until the couch potato generation. Video games, computers, internet, and cell phones are just scapegoats they can't blast PSAs across. That entails too much freedom and not enough regulation.
Kids aren't made to read books enough and use their imaginations because that's so old school now that they can "read," I mean fuck around, on their laptops and tablets. Becoming an instant/continuous gratification junkie and not being forced to stop having fun and bust your ass at least once a week is the only thing to blame. Then you appreciate what you have.

[WillBrink]

Originally Posted by chadbag

I guess some of you guys need to be careful...

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Are video games & porn 'the demise of guys'?


http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/23/health...html?c=&page=1


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Usual stuff: blaming outside forces for lack of personal responsibility that usually follows poor parenting and the cycle starts over. I don't play vid games because I don't have the time or interest, and I don't watch porn because I find it boring and generally does nothing for me. I do enjoy watching TV (what was blamed for all of societies ills prior to the 'net...) to relax a 1-3 hours, and blame no one but myself what what I watch and the possible impact it has on me, and so forth.

No one is helpless before vid games, porn, TV, etc. and a dose of actual parenting with kids tends to equip them much better as adults to know some self control and personal responsibility for their actions.

Did I often want to lie around on a Sat and watch TV all day as a kid? Yes, and my mother would throw me out of the house with my sake board and tell me to be back by dinner.

My niece and nephew are great kids. Why? Good Parenting.