Daniel Defense Superior Suppression Device

snakedoctor · #1 06-23-12, 12:16

For sale here: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=5...RESSION-DEVICE

Just wondering if anyone's running one of these or has tried one out yet. Please give us a report....

GTifosi · #2 06-23-12, 12:26

When they say 'supression' they mean flash not sound.
Pic from Brownelle's:

snakedoctor · #3 06-23-12, 13:06

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Originally Posted by GTifosi

When they say 'supression' they mean flash not sound.
Pic from Brownelle's:

I know its not a Sound Suppressor.

GTifosi · #4 06-23-12, 13:51

Yes, I understand that, but the thread title can certainly lead one to believe sound supressor is the topic.

polymorpheous · #5 06-23-12, 14:25

The product is named the "Superior Suppression Device".
Some call them flash hiders, others call them flash suppressors.

GTifosi · #6 06-23-12, 14:31

:shrug:
Just trying to save someone a click if they thought the link was to a sound supressor that got dropped into the wrong forum subection like a pile of other new threads every day.

'Suppression device' is as informative as 'round thing' for all the info the title offered.

SomeOtherGuy · #7 06-23-12, 14:34

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Originally Posted by GTifosi

:shrug:
'Suppression device' is as informative as 'round thing' for all the info the title offered.

I've always thought of the AC-130 as a superior suppression device.

Maybe DD is branching out?

jdavis6576 · #8 06-23-12, 17:25

I recently purchased one, will try it out tomorrow in a carbine class. It has replaced, at least temporarily, a BattleComp 1.0. I still have a BC on one of my other carbines but wanted to check this out as the BC is a flame thrower. I called DD before purchasing and they said it should reduce flash better than a BC while providing more comp characteristics than an A2 birdcage. For the money, it was worth the risk. If I don't like it I can reinstall either my BC or a Smith Vortex I have in the parts bin.

I won't be able to learn a great deal on the flash suppression front tomorrow as there isn't any night shooting planned but hopefully I'll be able to evaluate the comp characteristics. I'll be taking a back-up rifle with the BC so I may shoot them interchangeably and see if I notice any difference between the BC and the DD SSD.

Guns-up.50 · #9 06-23-12, 21:39

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Originally Posted by jdavis6576

I recently purchased one, will try it out tomorrow in a carbine class. It has replaced, at least temporarily, a BattleComp 1.0. I still have a BC on one of my other carbines but wanted to check this out as the BC is a flame thrower. I called DD before purchasing and they said it should reduce flash better than a BC while providing more comp characteristics than an A2 birdcage. For the money, it was worth the risk. If I don't like it I can reinstall either my BC or a Smith Vortex I have in the parts bin.

I won't be able to learn a great deal on the flash suppression front tomorrow as there isn't any night shooting planned but hopefully I'll be able to evaluate the comp characteristics. I'll be taking a back-up rifle with the BC so I may shoot them interchangeably and see if I notice any difference between the BC and the DD SSD.

well at least the guys next to you will like it better than the bc

BIGUGLY · #10 06-23-12, 22:48

Looks like it could be interesting, especially if it will give good flash supression and a little bit of compensation on recoil. Might be a good thing to try out especially with the 55 dollar price point. Could be a good go between something like a FSC556 and a pure flash supression device.

hotrodder636 · #11 06-24-12, 07:51

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Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

I've always thought of the AC-130 as a superior suppression device.

Maybe DD is branching out?

LOL!

Unit620 · #12 06-26-12, 12:14

Was looking to purchase one of these also. Jdavis6575 how did it work for you I the Carbine class?

jdavis6576 · #13 06-26-12, 15:20

I shot approximately 400 rounds through this Sunday. I'm quite happy with it; I didn't notice any increased recoil over the BattleComp I used previously and no one on the line was complaining about the concussion. Of course, several guys were running full blown brakes so that may have provided me with some cover. The class ended before 6 p.m. so I can't comment on flash suppression but the recoil characteristics were better than a Smith Vortex I've run in the past. YMMV.

There will be a Battle Comp 1.0 for sale on the EE soon...

SomeOtherGuy · #14 06-26-12, 15:29

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Originally Posted by jdavis6576

I shot approximately 400 rounds through this Sunday. I'm quite happy with it; I didn't notice any increased recoil over the BattleComp I used previously *** the recoil characteristics were better than a Smith Vortex I've run in the past. YMMV.

Interesting. What does the device look like inside - is it just a big empty cylinder like a Phantom, but with holes instead of slots? Or something more complex?

It looks a little like the Belgian FAL flash hider, from what little I can tell in the stock photo.

badness · #15 06-26-12, 16:19

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Originally Posted by jdavis6576

I shot approximately 400 rounds through this Sunday. I'm quite happy with it; I didn't notice any increased recoil over the BattleComp I used previously and no one on the line was complaining about the concussion. Of course, several guys were running full blown brakes so that may have provided me with some cover. The class ended before 6 p.m. so I can't comment on flash suppression but the recoil characteristics were better than a Smith Vortex I've run in the past. YMMV.

There will be a Battle Comp 1.0 for sale on the EE soon...

and the new FOTY has been born.

Stickman · #16 06-26-12, 23:54

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Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

I've always thought of the AC-130 as a superior suppression device.

I like the way you think.

shadow93 · #17 06-27-12, 18:57

Forgive this question in the middle of this thread. But I have been looking at these also. Why is it that these don't need to be timed while others do? Is it just the inside of their layout that determines this?

Inkslinger · #18 06-27-12, 21:19

Since this is a flash suppressor it will vent the muzzle blast evenly in multiple directions. A brake vents blast in specific directions to control muzzle rise. Thus requiring it to be time correctly to optimize these properties.

ac130usnsr · #19 06-27-12, 23:40

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Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

I've always thought of the AC-130 as a superior suppression device.

Maybe DD is branching out?

It is.

SomeOtherGuy · #20 06-28-12, 00:32

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Originally Posted by Inkslinger

Since this is a flash suppressor it will vent the muzzle blast evenly in multiple directions. A brake vents blast in specific directions to control muzzle rise. Thus requiring it to be time correctly to optimize these properties.

I disagree on these blanket statements. Some brakes are basically non-directional - like common hunting rifle brakes - and many flash suppressors require timing (the A2, for one). I would say:

flash suppressor - the primary purpose is to reduce flash. Usually has tines or slots. Usually has no effect on recoil, may or may not affect muzzle rise.*

compensator - not a consistently used term, but I would define it as something intended to control muzzle rise, which may or may not affect recoil or flash

brake - anything called a brake should reduce recoil significantly. Many also reduce muzzle rise by separate ports or asymmetrical shape, but not all. Usually increases flash, few reduce flash.

Note: muzzle rise is a result of recoil acting on a fulcrum below the bore centerline. Anything that reduces recoil will, if all else is equal, reduce muzzle rise. But many brakes include top ports intended to help force the muzzle down. These can be helpful, but if they are excessive can push the muzzle below your point of aim and be counterproductive. This will vary depending on your technique - if you have the buttstock firmly in your shoulder pocket you already have good control of muzzle rise, although the compensation effect of something like an A2 or FSC-556 will probably be helpful. But something that adds a lot of downward force is more likely to cause a problem. I've tested a Nordic Components brake that pushes the muzzle well below my line of sight when mounted on a 16" midlength and using my normal technique. For someone with different technique it might be just perfect.

* yesterday I was testing some devices back to back with each other on the same rifle, and out of curiousity I tried the A2 flash hider in its normal timing and then rotated upside down (slots down). I confirmed what people have stated here - the A2 has a significant effect to reduce muzzle rise when timed properly, and will send the muzzle very high when used upside down. This is free and easy to try for anyone who is skeptical that the A2 has a compensating effect.