CCW chowderhead gets charged

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

CU employee charged in accidental shooting in medical office


This has stupid written alllllllllllll over it.

Women with a 22 handgun showing it around the office and has an 'accidental' discharge when it 'jams'. I'm surprised she didn't put it thru her hand as she fiddle-fucked with the tip-up barrel.

Colorado has pretty low training standards, as in an evening class can fulfill it, no live firing or even handling a gun. I know a lot of people around here think that we should be born with a 1911 in our hands, and be able to use it- but as more and more of the population has less and less exposure to firearms I see the logic in at least making people demonstrate that they have a greater probability of hitting a bad guy versus themselves. I'll let them wing a few bystanders for free.

The intermediate back ground is that the public universties recently were forced to allow CCW on their campuses because of how the law was written. It's only been a couple of months and we already have this happening.

With the Dems controlling the house, senate and gov here, I'd be really surprised if they didn't go after the college CCW and maybe a high-cap ban for the trouble.

[HelmandHunter]

It would be nice if the states could agree to more uniform training standards, that way reciprocity agreements would be likely to expand.

[Iraqgunz]

I disagree. Taking a test or setting some training opens the door for shit like what happens in California. We have a right to bear arms and personally all states should revert to constitutional carry. Along with that make people accountable for their actions. This could have happened here in AZ where we have constitutional carry. So what action would you take then? You can't revoke or suspend her permit. She was negligent which means criminal charges and possible civil damages.

[Texas42]

I'm with Iraqgunz. The CCW "training" standards should be very low. More a proficiency than training.

You can't fix stupid.

[Noodles McGee]

People need to be held accountable for their actions in all shapes and forms
Most people think somehow they are not that stupid and its always mechanical failure.

[markm]

This is why guns are safer in the hands of the Cartels.

[Blayglock]

I moved from TX to PA. TX has very high ccw quals (class, test, long wait) PA has none of that. I've seen just as much stupid ccw stuff in TX as PA.

Hazards of living in a free society are that some people are free to be foolish. Freedom is worth it though.

[HelmandHunter]

In the ideal world, consitutional carry would be preferred.

If we are to have training standards in our shall-issue states, uniformity of the training standards would be preferred. At least require live fire. That way the more stringent states (i.e. Minnesota, etc.) would not tell lenient states (i.e. Florida) to pound sand when it comes to reciprocity.

Just an opinion, and I see it as one more way to keep legislators from making further excuses for reciprocity limitations (They don't require enough training etc.)

[LostinKY]

Here in KY, we have about 4 hr of classroom training that mostly covers the laws, responsiblilty of the SD shooter, what constitutes a justified SD shootong, and possible consequnces of a any SD shooting.

It basically informs the possible SD shooter of what the law in KY is and the gravity of lethal force even in SD situation.
Very good info!
I was a real eye opener for me, a long term firearms shooter.

Then, we went to the range and had to show we knew how to clean and operate our weapon and finally a 7 yd. actual shooting with a very easy minimum scoring.

We had to pass a written test and then the range test.

I understand the "Consitutional Carry" stand that many have, and agree to a point, but in our state (and our society), passing this simple written and range test shows that the people with CCW cards have been trained (to some degree) and are aware of what CCW is and can mean. I gives a level of additional credence of the CCW holders to LEO's and Judges and, of course, over the criminal that they just shot.

[Jack-O]

If I were to re-write the 2nd based on todays society, the right would be based upon one's knowledge and proficiency with the chosen weapon type. upon passing the test (based on significant range time and class time) the right would be unlimited. the way I see it now, that would be a reasonable way back to an educated and skilled gun owning society.

That said, the 2nd aint written like that.

Still, some folks just dont need guns.

[Brimstone]

We have had carry on campus for some time now with no issues in Utah. We have no training or proficiency testing for a CCW permit in Utah either. It is a 3-4 hour class that is based more around where you can/can't carry and when you are justified in drawing/firing your weapon.

As for the Colorado case, you can't fix stupid.

[AKDoug]

Originally Posted by Jack-O

If I were to re-write the 2nd based on todays society, the right would be based upon one's knowledge and proficiency with the chosen weapon type. upon passing the test (based on significant range time and class time) the right would be unlimited. the way I see it now, that would be a reasonable way back to an educated and skilled gun owning society.

That said, the 2nd aint written like that.

Still, some folks just dont need guns.

We need a rewrite of the 1st Amendment to require proper capitalization on internet posts. The 2nd Amendment does not grant anyone a privileged. It reaffirms an inalienable right. An inalienable right cannot be removed by any government, nor does it require an education to possess.

[Iraqgunz]

I'll side with AK_Doug. Inalienable rights are just that. They aren't given to us. They are endowed.

Originally Posted by Jack-O

If I were to re-write the 2nd based on todays society, the right would be based upon one's knowledge and proficiency with the chosen weapon type. upon passing the test (based on significant range time and class time) the right would be unlimited. the way I see it now, that would be a reasonable way back to an educated and skilled gun owning society.

That said, the 2nd aint written like that.

Still, some folks just dont need guns.

[LostinKY]

Originally Posted by AKDoug

..... The 2nd Amendment does not grant anyone a privileged. It reaffirms an inalienable right. An inalienable right cannot be removed by any government, nor does it require an education to possess.

So then would we approve of the mentally unsound, people convicted of violent crimes, and similar individuals to have firearms?

At what age are we to be able to exercise this right?
21, 18, 16, 10 yrs old...

I believe in the 2nd but I am not sure where these people fit?

[Jack-O]

Originally Posted by Iraqgunz

I'll side with AK_Doug. Inalienable rights are just that. They aren't given to us. They are endowed.

If this were true you would never comply with any gun law. Further still your endower would erase any "liens" automatically right?

[Hehuhates]

Originally Posted by Jack-O

If this were true you would never comply with any gun law. Further still your endower would erase any "liens" automatically right?

Actually there would be no gun laws to comply with.

[SPQR476]

In a true free society, stupid would hurt more. With the state not "protecting us from ourselves", personal and family responsibility would have to provide controls, and where those were void, the gene pool would thin itself of the shallow, stagnant end dwellers. But then, who would vote democrat?

[HelmandHunter]

Originally Posted by SPQR476

In a true free society, stupid would hurt more. With the state not "protecting us from ourselves", personal and family responsibility would have to provide controls, and where those were void, the gene pool would thin itself of the shallow, stagnant end dwellers. But then, who would vote democrat?

^ This

[Texas42]

Originally Posted by Blayglock

I moved from TX to PA. TX has very high ccw quals (class, test, long wait) PA has none of that. I've seen just as much stupid ccw stuff in TX as PA.

Hazards of living in a free society are that some people are free to be foolish. Freedom is worth it though.

Texas has a 10 hour class, including a rediculously easy shooting test (if you have difficulty. . . you really do need some help shooting.) It is also more expensive than most states. . . . . but what are you gonna do?

[HelmandHunter]

Get a FL permit and tell TX to pound sand!