This is pretty scary

Cagemonkey · #1 11-23-12, 13:35

Now anyone can be a crack shot. Can you imagine if these end up in the wrong hands. http://www.michaelyon-online.com/now...this-works.htm

montanadave · #2 11-23-12, 13:45

Pretty remarkable but I don't understand how it can make the compensations for atmospheric conditions (wind, temp., etc.).

C-grunt · #3 11-23-12, 14:03

I can't imagine how much that system is going to cost.

Safetyhit · #4 11-23-12, 14:13

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Originally Posted by Cagemonkey

Now anyone can be a crack shot. Can you imagine if these end up in the wrong hands.

Same can and has been said about many modern firearms, but I agree there is a line somewhere. Just don't see this system as crossing it.

gun71530 · #5 11-23-12, 14:38

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Originally Posted by Cagemonkey

Now anyone can be a crack shot. Can you imagine if these end up in the wrong hands. http://www.michaelyon-online.com/now...this-works.htm

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any reason to be concerned. This is the same type reasoning anti gunners apply to AR's.

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TRIDENT82 · #6 11-23-12, 14:57

Perhaps the OP was being facetious in his assessment of how potentially dangerous something like this would be for Joe Blow Civilian. My guess is that he was.

That said, it's nothing short of ridiculous to think that whatever this future system could be...it would approach the lines of my meter stick in regards to things that most likely don't have a place in the civilian market....crew served weapons with HE rounds.

Personally I just don't view this as the same massive game changer that the HK MP-7 is, thus making it only avail. to secret squirrels in the Gov't

montanadave · #7 11-23-12, 15:18

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Originally Posted by TRIDENT82

Personally I just don't view this as the same massive game changer that the HK MP-7 is, thus making it only avail. to secret squirrels in the Gov't

And the Wiki entry for the MP-7 lists users in the United States as the United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU) ... and the Department of Public Safety in Sunnyvale, CA?

I guess the moral of that story is don't get targeted by Seal Team Six or mouth off to the cops in Sunnyvale.

Or rely on Wikipedia.

MistWolf · #8 11-23-12, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Cagemonkey

Now anyone can be a crack shot. Can you imagine if these end up in the wrong hands. http://www.michaelyon-online.com/now...this-works.htm

*Yawn*

Think about how it works. It has it's limitations. Even so, what's so scary about being able to precisely place a bullet? What's scarier is where that bullet might go if you miss and with good shooting habits, the risk is well controlled

TheGunman · #9 11-23-12, 15:58

Rather spend my money on training to be able to shoot precisely than piss it away on the fancy scope.

So what happens when the battery dies and you need to make the shot? At least with a traditional scope the reticle is always there and you only need to worry about dropping it.

Cagemonkey · #10 11-23-12, 21:43

By Scary, I meant to imply that if this weapon system ever got into the hands of our Enemies, I wouldn't want to be one the wrong end. This system would practically make a Chimp a deadly shot to 1200 meters never mind some Taliban. I had no intentions of insinuating any type of gun control undertones or implying this would make someone a true sniper. Wait until the Chinese copy it and proliferate them to every wannabe terrorist etc.

taliv · #11 11-23-12, 23:05

i wouldn't get excited. are they saying they've learned how to read mid-range mirage with that scope? what if there's no mirage?

or are they just saying the scope can laser range find? and measure the angle? and the temperature? and DA?

what if the actual velocity is different than what's written on the ammo box? can it spot misses and give you a correction?

my guess it might help an untrained conscript, but it would probably slow a shooter down. how long does it take to get a solution? what if you have two targets at different distances and you need to shoot them fast?

what if the target is moving? does it also compensate for lead?

even if it magically did all those things, what does it do when the yahoo yanks the trigger?

HackerF15E · #12 11-24-12, 05:38

What is the difference between having to have perfect sight-to-target alignment in order to "tag" the target, as they say, and pull the trigger?

You still have to hold the rifle steadily, aim at your target, and "tag" at just the right time. It doesn't make a "chimp" or a "conscript" or anyone else more accurate.

Either way, in no way is this system remotely like "jet fighter lock-and-launch technology" nor is it "precision guided".

orkan · #13 11-24-12, 06:03

I've talked with the guys at Tracking Point at LENGTH about their system.

The typical elmer fudd knee-jerk-reaction shit has to stop. Fear and panic about a product that isn't on the market yet, and that you've never used or fully understand the capability of is irrational stupidity at best.

I swear... gun owners are our own worst enemy.

"OMGWTFBBQ!!!1! IT FIRES NUCLEAR TIPPED SELF GUIDING MISSILES!!!!!!1! IT"S SO EASY A CAVE MAN COULD DO IT!!!11!!!"

Yeah.

The only thing that is scary is when people disengage their brains, and start acting like panicked children. "OMG could you imagine if it got in the wrong hands!@?!?!?!" Who decides who the wrong hands are? The government? YOU? A ROCK is dangerous in the wrong hands. Should we outlaw them?

I'm so very sick of hearing the same people proclaiming to love liberty also championing government regulation.

Want to spend less time being "scared?" Spend more time using your brain.

Taliv, once again you get it, while many others seem to be lost on the concept. Funny how you actually need to know how to make a long range shot in order to identify the limitations of the system.

JW5219 · #14 11-24-12, 07:51

Very well said Orkan!!!

5pins · #15 11-24-12, 08:20

If I had to hazard a guess I would say that the manufactures claims are going to be a little more than the reality. Also what happens when the target moves?

Safetyhit · #16 11-24-12, 10:02

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Originally Posted by orkan

I've talked with the guys at Tracking Point at LENGTH about their system.

The typical elmer fudd knee-jerk-reaction shit has to stop. Fear and panic about a product that isn't on the market yet, and that you've never used or fully understand the capability of is irrational stupidity at best.

I swear... gun owners are our own worst enemy.

"OMGWTFBBQ!!!1! IT FIRES NUCLEAR TIPPED SELF GUIDING MISSILES!!!!!!1! IT"S SO EASY A CAVE MAN COULD DO IT!!!11!!!"

Yeah.

The only thing that is scary is when people disengage their brains, and start acting like panicked children. "OMG could you imagine if it got in the wrong hands!@?!?!?!" Who decides who the wrong hands are? The government? YOU? A ROCK is dangerous in the wrong hands. Should we outlaw them?

I'm so very sick of hearing the same people proclaiming to love liberty also championing government regulation.

Want to spend less time being "scared?" Spend more time using your brain.

Taliv, once again you get it, while many others seem to be lost on the concept. Funny how you actually need to know how to make a long range shot in order to identify the limitations of the system.

Spare us the long winded, demeaning rant clarifying little more than your need to feel smarter than someone today. While I also disagree with his initial assessment, he clarified that he was referring to enemies overseas obtaining the technology and not advocating restrictions here in America.

A misguided fear as well perhaps, but if you are going to rip someone make sure you have an idea as to what your talking about.

ccosby · #17 11-24-12, 11:15

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Originally Posted by montanadave

Pretty remarkable but I don't understand how it can make the compensations for atmospheric conditions (wind, temp., etc.).

Yea I was wondering that as well. Also wonder about moving targets. Still interesting device. Don't know how well it will work but interesting.

C-grunt · #18 11-24-12, 11:28

Unless I heard him wrong I think he says you hold down the trigger and once the sights line up it releases the shot. So I don't think you could easily yank the trigger on this.

Not trying to defend the system and even if I win the Powerball this week I likely won't buy one. But it's pretty cool technology.

taliv · #19 11-24-12, 17:40

interesting, thanks c-grunt. i had to use cc on the video instead of listening to it, and that part of the captioning was more or less unintelligible but what you said now makes sense.

that's actually a pretty interesting method. i guess you have to hit it twice, right? essentially put the crosshairs on what you want to hit and press the button? at which point it gets a solution and adjusts the reticle? then you hold down the trigger and when the rifle is on target, it fires? of course i'm still speculating wildly

now i'm extra curious about how it would handle movers, since the picture would change

JBecker 72 · #20 11-24-12, 18:02

Being a tech geek, I find this really cool. Doubtful I could afford it, but that is a very neat idea.