Lake City 5.56 available

[wezalsgunsupply]

If anyone is looking I found a distributor that has 2007 Lake city in stock. I'm an ffl and found it at Ellett Brothers. Have your dealers call. They had 280 500rd cases left when I got mine. They have it listed as Federal Tactical. I got it opened and was in American Eagle boxes. Opened them and they are Lake City 2007. Dealer cost $179.00 per 500. Thats a pretty good deal I thought. If you want them better have your dealer act quick. Later Wezal

[Safetyhit]

Originally Posted by wezalsgunsupply

If anyone is looking I found a distributor that has 2007 Lake city in stock. I'm an ffl and found it at Ellett Brothers. Have your dealers call. They had 280 500rd cases left when I got mine. They have it listed as Federal Tactical. I got it opened and was in American Eagle boxes. Opened them and they are Lake City 2007. Dealer cost $179.00 per 500. Thats a pretty good deal I thought. If you want them better have your dealer act quick. Later Wezal

Ammoman has some XM193, but not likely 2007. I know some were down on him not too long ago, just FYI.

[RAM Engineer]

What is the story behind XM193? Is it seconds or blems or something? I've seen boxes of XM193 marked "for training use only."

[markm]

Originally Posted by Safetyhit

Ammoman has some XM193, but not likely 2007. I know some were down on him not too long ago, just FYI.

Yes. The XM193C is. I don't know what year the XM193A (stripper clips) is.

The 07 LC XM193C is at Wideners, Natchezz, Ammoman, etc. It's everywhere it normally is. Prices are around $200 per 500 rounds delivered. This is not breaking news.

It seems as though XM193 has reached a pricing level finally. $8 per box seems to have finally stabilized the market. I HOPE it will come down from there!

[markm]

Originally Posted by RAM Engineer

What is the story behind XM193? Is it seconds or blems or something? I've seen boxes of XM193 marked "for training use only."

This has been covered about a trillion times on the internuts. Most of what is said about the subject is completely wrong, and just repeated BS by booger eating goofballs.

XM193 basically started out as ammo not purchased by the mil due to minor QC issues that wouldn't affect normal performance. I finally saw some legit documentation on this subject a year or two ago. At this point, I'd say that Federal has figured out how profitable the ammo is and what a high demand there is for it.

[Safetyhit]

Originally Posted by demigod

XM193 basically started out as ammo not purchased by the mil due to minor QC issues that wouldn't affect normal performance. I finally saw some legit documentation on this subject a year or two ago.

While I am aware as to what most of the QC issues are that supposedly designate XM and XMPD, can you elaborate what you read for us?

[markm]

I can't remember exactly. It didn't get into specifics.

I think someone on TOS sent me the info, but I didn't save it because it looked like XM193 was never going to be available again at the time.

I had been asking for some sort of documentation for ever on TOS, back when everyone was babbling about Tier 2 ammo and all this nonsense.

Let me see if I can remember who sent me the info.

[Safetyhit]

OK, thanks.


I have heard the QC issues are known exposure to heat, supposed improper sealing, supposed improper crimping and possibly primers associated with a bad batch. That said, I have fired thousands of rounds of XM and have never had any issue with the structural appearance of a single round. Nor were there any functional issues with them that I can remember. Sometimes the green paint on "tier II" M855 looks a bit rough, but that has always functioned well for me too.

[markm]

Indeed. I can't remember if the sealant issue was specifically sighted or if that was just internut myth.

Heat, Crimping, and Primers were not specifically sighted as far as I can remember... that would have stuck in my head.

I'd say that the number of rounds of XM193 fired by various people on TOS would be over a million without one legitimate failure reported to my knowledge.

I use this stuff for Home Defense ammo.

[RAM Engineer]

Safetyhit & Demigod,

Thanks for the info! Although you just cost me money...

Jason

[Safetyhit]

Originally Posted by RAM Engineer

Safetyhit & Demigod,

Thanks for the info! Although you just cost me money...

Jason

It is excellent ammo, so it's money well spent. These days I don't shoot any of my good 5.56 (TAP, MK262, IMI M855, XM193) at the range anymore. Never know when they may dry up the way things are these days, not to mention the higher cost to replace them.

[markm]

I bought 500 rounds of this from Wideners myself last week. I'd like to say it will be cheaper some day, but I doubt it.

[Skintop911]

Post here on issues/concerns with XM193:
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads...true#Post51836

This, from the The Gun Zone, on the issue.
http://www.thegunzone.com/556xm.html

[markm]

Thanks, Skintop.

I think that Second Link was what I was thinking of!

The first link is full of much of the usual mis information that surrounds the XM193 ammo. I guess people don't get any smarter because they post on the 10-8 forums.

Not suprised to see the old man calling it mil rejects. He also says 3131a is bad ammo. "whatever, dude!" Assuming the second link is infact true and real, you can see that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

If you think about it, a manufacturor who kicked out that many rejects would be completely out of control of their production. I'd be willing to bet that the XM193 ammo built on LC overrun M855 brass is very profitable for Federal/ATK.

[markm]

Sorry! I can't shut up about this topic!

Two more points.

1. XM193 is about the best ammo commonly available to us currently. The price is high for a reason. It performs well and people like it. Millions of trouble free rounds have been shot over the years. If there were problems with this ammo, it'd spread on the net faster than news of a Glock Kabooming!

2. What would you rather have in a fire fight? 500 rounds XM193 that didn't pass mil QC... or 500 rounds of UMC .223 that passed all the QC checks????

I think I'll gamble on the X, Mama!

[Safetyhit]

Originally Posted by demigod

Sorry! I can't shut up about this topic!

No, you are just trying for 1,500 total posts before the end of the day.



For the record, according to those articles it seems that 3 of the 4 issues I mentioned have credibility, but no mention of heat exposure being a problem. Maybe that was an isolated case I was told about, maybe it was not true.

[markm]

There's lots of unanswered questions about this ammo. For instance.... it's M193 ammo made with NATO headstamped brass.

So if it were slated for MIL usage as M193, how could it be assembled using a NATO designation?

I suspect that the primed brass was overrun material or didn't meet some "strict criteria". My guess is that it was then run as M193 and sold as commercial ammo instead of being scrapped.

But it's all just speculation.... So all we have to go on is it's widespread, excellent reputation.

[JG1911]

I remember when I was paying $165shipped for 1000k rds of XM193.

I've shot a lot of the XM193, probably over 15k rds and never had a problem. I bought 2k of the XM193PD, have shot 1k of it, and had more FTE (in three different rifles with upgraded extractor parts) than I have ever had in my entire life. The didn't look as good as the standard XM, dings, etc.
I actually had to "mortar" my rifle four times in an hour... The rifle was clean. No big deal, but the 1k of PD gave me more problems than 15k of XM.

I asked a Federal Rep, @ SHOT a few years ago, what the deal was and he said he didn't know... But, the ammo was not seconds. Go figure.

[markm]

The PD stuff is definitely some jookie stuff. I avoided it based on similar reports.

[Shihan]

The newly released Federal stuff is actually M193.