2008 Pres. Election

m60g · #1 06-23-08, 19:15

WTF to Do!

Both Obama and McCain get F ratings on their gun votes.

I could vote for Bob Barr, but he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell. And I feel that a vote for Barr would just be a vote for Obama. But I don't know if McCain is much better. AAAAGGGGHHHH! This election is the pits!

Submariner · #2 06-23-08, 20:14

Although Harry Browne was talking about the then upcoming 2000 election, what he said to Tim Russert on Meet the Press applies to the 2008 election just as well:

"No. You know, I know, everybody watching this show knows that four years from today, whichever of them is elected, government will be bigger, more expensive, more obtrusive, and more oppressive. If you vote Republican or Democrat, you are giving up. You’re saying ‘I’m never going to be free. America will never be a free country again. I will never get smaller government. So I’m just going to vote for the one I think will take me to hell at the slowest-possible rate.’"

Leonidas · #3 06-23-08, 23:57

As quoted by the great Conan O'Brien, we have the choice between the Hillary defeater and the Wal-Mart greater

By the way Harry Browne was a good man. I just re-read his book "The Great Libertarian Offer" just a few months ago.

Alaskapopo · #4 06-24-08, 04:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by m60g

WTF to Do!

Both Obama and McCain get F ratings on their gun votes.

I could vote for Bob Barr, but he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell. And I feel that a vote for Barr would just be a vote for Obama. But I don't know if McCain is much better. AAAAGGGGHHHH! This election is the pits!

McCain voted against every anti gun bill that came across his desk while he was in the senate. That is not an F rating in my book. He also voted against the AWB. As far as voting 3rd party its a waste of your vote as they can not win.
Pat

m60g · #5 06-24-08, 06:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

McCain voted against every anti gun bill that came across his desk while he was in the senate. That is not an F rating in my book. He also voted against the AWB. As far as voting 3rd party its a waste of your vote as they can not win.
Pat

From gunowners.org

http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

http://gunowners.org/110srat.htm

chadbag · #6 06-24-08, 07:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by m60g

From gunowners.org

http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

http://gunowners.org/110srat.htm

While I have great respect for what GOA does, they live in a fantasy land, not in reality, when it comes to these ratings. Is McCain perfect? NO. Does he have something up his *ss when it comes to the non existent so-called "gunshow loophole"? YES. Is he an F-Rated gun grabber like Feinstein, Schumer, Obama, Kennedy, Clinton, etc? NO

I'll take my chances on McCain. I don't live in a Fantasy Land like GOA. Voting for Bob Barr or any other 3rd party this year is a vote FOR gun bans and other monstrosities. A vote for McCain is probably, although not guaranteed, to be a vote AGAINST such things. You may have some bad stuff pushed like the gunshow crap, but you won't have all the AWB and crap pushed. BIG DIFFERENCE.

unfortunately the choice this year is not a great one. But that is all we have and we have to make the best do we can with the hand we are given. Not some FANTASY LAND situation like GOA and all the other McCain whiners out there think they have.

The time to push your perfect candidate is in the primaries.

JSandi · #7 06-24-08, 13:37

GOA is smoking crack if they are trying to lump McCain into the same category as Osama.

It appears reading the website you have linked that he GOA is citing just as many or more votes on legislation which has nothing to do with "anti-gun" stuff.

If you want anti gun, keep preaching this, vote for an unelectable candidate and then sit back and enjoy your hard earned Osama Administration!!!

We (Republicans) will most likely lose seats in the House and Senate, some are even predicting the RATS pushing a veto proof majority. If it gets that close and because you felt it necessary to vote for the unelectable,

You will have a new found love and understanding of what anti-gun means.

m60g · #8 06-24-08, 13:47

Oh, I'll vote for McCain, but just because he's the lesser of the two POS's to choose from. I can't stand either one of their politics. I understand that we can't vote for who is the best. Thanks to the fucked up political situation, you just have to keep voting party lines whether you like it or not. Otherwise it's just a wasted vote.

Somehow, I don't think the Founding Fathers had that in mind.

I'm just saying it's a shame that third party candidates can't do better. It would give us more to choose from than just the 2 usual stiffs.

Gutshot John · #9 06-24-08, 19:40

nevermind

MassMark · #10 06-24-08, 19:57

Anyone thinking of tossing their vote to a third party candidate had better be prepared to face the consequences...Barack Obama is one of the most dangerous candidates put forth on the American political stage. Folks need to pull their collective heads from their rectum and not only rally around John McCain, but also get out there, become proactive, sign up new voters and help get McCain elected. While you're at it, become engaged and proactive in Congressional/Senatorial elections. The mix of Obama and a heavily fortified House/Senate will spell sure disaster and could even lead to Revolution....Obama is now trying to swoon the middle, gun owners and evangelicals - he's no joke and if he's successful, we collectively pooched....

I can't stand either candidate and believe Thomas Jefferson is spinning in the dirt over the lock-step two party system we've become...It's high time to toss a third - even a fourth party into the American political mix, but now is not the time....