Speer Gold Dot .223

vicious_cb · #1 11-24-08, 23:43

Doc, have you guys tested Speer Gold Dot .223 64gr yet? Supposedly its a superior barrier round to LE223T3 and is meant to feed better.

I'd like to see how it compares against LE223T3 with regards to both bare gel and windshield ect.

DocGKR · #2 11-25-08, 02:56

Being tested right now.

Spooky130 · #3 11-25-08, 10:37

Here's a thread from TOS. It will have to do until the good Doc gets his report done. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=399914&page=2 - while most of TOS is a waste, this guy seems to be fairly squared away...

Spooky

vicious_cb · #4 11-25-08, 12:15

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Originally Posted by Spooky130

Here's a thread from TOS. It will have to do until the good Doc gets his report done. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=399914&page=2 - while most of TOS is a waste, this guy seems to be fairly squared away...

Spooky

Yeah I read it, seems that it has great accuracy potential but it doesnt say anything on how it performs terminally.

Spooky130 · #5 11-25-08, 18:15

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Originally Posted by vicious_cb

Yeah I read it, seems that it has great accuracy potential but it doesnt say anything on how it performs terminally.

True, but it will give you something to hold you over until Doc gets his report out! Also, I know the load from TOS is the 24448 and I know personally that a large US federal LE agency is using 24450 which I can't find on Speer's site. I wonder if there is a difference between the loadings - the boxes look identical.

Hopefully is a good alternative to the LE223T3 since I've seen it advertised for about 1/3 of the price!

Spooky

ETA: Available at: http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail....mber=CCI-24448

jmart · #6 11-25-08, 22:01

Would be interesting to compare this against Win 64 Power Point and a comparable load featuring Sierra's 65 Gameking.

wichaka · #7 11-26-08, 02:13

Yep, have tested it extensively last year before it was out to the public.

Has great performance, thru media. Shows little flight deviance thru auto glass, and holds together real well.

Appears to be a winner.

DocGKR · #8 11-26-08, 03:33

jmart,

It is not comparable to the Win 64 gr, 64 gr TRU, 65 gr GK or other similar loads that are not ideal against intermediate barriers--it acts more like the Fed Tac 62 gr TBBC or Nosler 60 gr Partition.

jmart · #9 11-26-08, 08:42

Doc,

Gotcha. I didn't expect the others to behave like a bonded core bullet, I was just saying it would be interesting to see how each design behaves in the different medium.

vicious_cb · #10 11-28-08, 18:18

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Originally Posted by Spooky130

True, but it will give you something to hold you over until Doc gets his report out! Also, I know the load from TOS is the 24448 and I know personally that a large US federal LE agency is using 24450 which I can't find on Speer's site. I wonder if there is a difference between the loadings - the boxes look identical.

Hopefully is a good alternative to the LE223T3 since I've seen it advertised for about 1/3 of the price!

Spooky

ETA: Available at: http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail....mber=CCI-24448

Thanks for link. I think I'll stick with the TBBC load until the testing proves that .223 gold is equal to or better than the TBBC.

Also do you need a dept letterhead or a some form of LEO identification to order from them?

RWK · #11 01-16-09, 22:19

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Originally Posted by DocGKR

Being tested right now.

Doc, any updates to this?

torrpd · #12 01-27-09, 02:44

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Originally Posted by RWK

Doc, any updates to this?

I would be interested in seeing the test considering we are going to the Gold Dot as a duty round.

Marcus L. · #13 02-03-09, 12:15

Doc,

Any new info on the .223 Gold Dots? I'm getting ready for a bulk agency ammunition order and I'm trying to find something duty worthy for typical LE shooting environments that runs for around $0.75-$1.00 a shot.

wichaka · #14 02-03-09, 13:36

Have been thru a few of ATK's ballistic seminars, where we can bring any ammo to test, and the Gold Dot out performed anything that anyone brought...including TAP.

We shot thru wallboard, plywood, windshield glass, and many different thicknesses of clothes....and of course bare gelatin.

Check here for some of their results as well.

http://le.atk.com/general/irl/woundballistics.aspx

DocGKR · #15 02-03-09, 20:30

Glass testing is scheduled to be completed on 12 Feb.

GLOCKMASTER · #16 02-03-09, 21:08

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Originally Posted by wichaka

Have been thru a few of ATK's ballistic seminars, where we can bring any ammo to test, and the Gold Dot out performed anything that anyone brought...including TAP.

We shot thru wallboard, plywood, windshield glass, and many different thicknesses of clothes....and of course bare gelatin.

Check here for some of their results as well.

http://le.atk.com/general/irl/woundballistics.aspx

We have seen the same results at the seminars we have recently attended. We will making the switch to the 64 grn. .223 GD in the very near future.

wichaka · #17 02-03-09, 22:53

DocGKR, are you the same one that came up to Wa State a few years ago to our LE Firearms Instructor seminar and put on a ballistic seminar?

Molon · #18 02-04-09, 00:33

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Originally Posted by DocGKR

Glass testing is scheduled to be completed on 12 Feb.

DocGKR · #19 02-04-09, 09:40

Wichaka, I did a seminar for WSLEFIA at the Yakima meeting in July of 2003.

That was the meeting where the Second Chance reps said that I didn't know what I was taking about and that Zylon was the best body armor material in the world...

wichaka · #20 02-04-09, 12:28

I remember that....which is why 2nd chance hasn't been back!

Any chance of getting you up here again?