Rob_s chart!

[miss debbie]

Why is there so much negativity on other gun boards to rob_s chart?
I thought it was very informative and detailed, if it wasn’t for the chart I would have ended up with an Olympic Arms. Before I used to get some of my info from gun store employees he told us that an AR rifles are the same some just go to different manufactures, now I know this to be BS. My first AR was an LMT, and then my husband bought us matching Noveske rifles since we couldn’t find Colt’s 6920 in stock locally. Thanks Rob for your chart and for letting me know about M4carbine.net.

[Iraqgunz]

In some cases they are butt hurt because no one wants to hear that they bought a POS. Of course their weapon is fine for the 1x a month that they put 100 rounds through it.

Originally Posted by miss debbie

Why is there so much negativity on other gun boards to rob_s chart?
I thought it was very informative and detailed, if it wasn’t for the chart I would have ended up with an Olympic Arms. Before I used to get some of my info from gun store employees he told us that an AR rifles are the same some just go to different manufactures, now I know this to be BS. My first AR was an LMT, and then my husband bought us matching Noveske rifles since we couldn’t find Colt’s 6920 in stock locally. Thanks Rob for your chart and for letting me know about M4carbine.net.

[thopkins22]

Because human beings generally prefer the subjective to the objective.

Because people don't like learning that they spent a thousand dollars on something dramatically inferior to something that costs 1-2 hundred dollars more(or depending where they bought it, that costs less.)

Or maybe it's just because they harbor hate for FL football teams and assume that nothing good could possibly come from the state.

[RSS1911]

Prior to having become familiar with Rob's Chart, I had acquired a Stag upper, stipped lower and parts, and built up what I thought was a fairly decent carbine. I even had those things staked that needed it and put several hundred rounds through it. It is a decent carbine.

As I became somewhat better educated in the art of carbinology, I saved up, waited on availability, and obtained a BCM middy and then an LMT lower. I am now quite comfortable in the knowledge that I have a carbine that is far better than I deserve.

Rather than having been offended at Rob's ranking of the Stag, I am apprectiative of the time he spent compiling the data from which I have learned quite a bit.

Thank you Rob.

[rat31465]

Originally Posted by miss debbie

Why is there so much negativity on other gun boards to rob_s chart?
Thanks Rob for your chart and for letting me know about M4carbine.net.

+1 Thanks from me as well...I bought an LMT on the recommendations of this chart and the information I found on M4carbine.net.

[SHIVAN]

It's too easy for people to see where their pet weapon falls in the pecking order. When it's not near the top, in comparison to others, they FEEL slighted.

It's a pretty objective starting point for carbine comparison.

[Frens]

since we're talking about the chart... (oh btw, Thanks Rob for your detailed job! )

I've always heard that Bushy dont test every single barrel or bolt but only batch test them.
also I read on another board that who made the chart can't prove it....

now the question is: how do we know that Bushy only batch test their barrels and bolts?

I dont want to start a flame...I'm just curious

[rob_s]

Frens, All you have to do is ask them. They'll freely admit it. At one time it was even on their FAQ, but no idea if it still is or not.

[Patrick Aherne]

People attach their own identity and ego to their purchases. Further, many of these same folks believe that if they just buy something that looks like what the cool guys use, then they will be cool by association and possessed of the same magical skills, without having to put in all of the sacrifice and hard work.

To me, it's a frigging tool. Just like my unit's tires have to be Goodyear Eagles to meet the speed rating I might drive at, I expect my rifle will meet a certain standard because my life depends on it.

My rifle is ugly and beat up, but mechanically sound and maintained well. Just like my tires.

[variablebinary]

People put too much stock in the chart. It makes chest thumbers and inferiority complexes at the same time.

Plus I dont think the chart is as "important" today as it was 6 months ago.

As an informational guide it's nice, and certainly educational, as a buyers guide not so much.

The value has been sucked out of the AR15 market overnight where even STAG's are in the $1200 range, which puts them at Colt prices 9 months ago. I just dont think any M4 type carbine is worth more than 1300 on a generous day, regardless of what the chart says

In this economy it would be smarter to get something afforable from a good company and worry less about trying to impress people on the internet. Use the extra cash to get spares, ammo, mags, food or just put it in your savings in case you get laid off

[ZDL]

....and everything it stands for."

[ZDL]

Originally Posted by variablebinary

People put too much stock in the chart. It makes chest thumbers and inferiority complexes at the same time.

Plus I dont think the chart is as "important" today as it was 6 months ago.

As an informational guide it's nice, and certainly educational, as a buyers guide not so much.

The value has been sucked out of the AR15 market overnight where even STAG's are in the $1200 range, which puts them at Colt prices 9 months ago. I just dont think any M4 type carbine is worth more than 1300 on a generous day, regardless of what the chart says

In this economy it would be smarter to get something afforable from a good company and worry less about trying to impress people on the internet. Use the extra cash to get spares, ammo, mags, food or just put it in your savings in case you get laid off

?????

If the right tool cost 3x's as much I would pay for it for the peace of mind on duty.

[rob_s]

Originally Posted by variablebinary

People put too much stock in the chart. It makes chest thumbers and inferiority complexes at the same time.

Plus I dont think the chart is as "important" today as it was 6 months ago.

As an informational guide it's nice, and certainly educational, as a buyers guide not so much.

The value has been sucked out of the AR15 market overnight where even STAG's are in the $1200 range, which puts them at Colt prices 9 months ago. I just dont think any M4 type carbine is worth more than 1300 on a generous day, regardless of what the chart says

In this economy it would be smarter to get something afforable from a good company and worry less about trying to impress people on the internet. Use the extra cash to get spares, ammo, mags, food or just put it in your savings in case you get laid off

None of which changes the information in the Chart, or it's value.

If someone is stupid enough to spend their nest egg, kid's college fund, or emergency fund on an AR, regardless of the market, that's their issue.

[RSS1911]

Originally Posted by rob_s

If someone is stupid enough to spend their nest egg, kid's college fund, or emergency fund on an AR, regardless of the market, that's their issue.

Oh. You shoulda put that in the chart too.

[BushmasterFanBoy]

Originally Posted by RSS1911

Oh. You shoulda put that in the chart too.

And here I was, guiding my future based on castle-nut staking...

[JSantoro]

Originally Posted by RSS1911

Rather than having been offended at Rob's ranking of the Stag, I am apprectiative of the time he spent compiling the data from which I have learned quite a bit.

Thank you Rob.

Same same, in regard to the Bushmaster I bought 3 years ago. I've always been a shooter, but it turns out that I didn't really know all that much about the platform itself. Talk about humbling and fascinating at the same time!

The Chart and the SMEs here helped me learn that there's all sorts of things that can be done to void or at least attenuate certain manufacturing deficiencies and turn it into something that can take a real beating and still perform. It's gonna take some $$$, but I'm single/unattached/no kids, so my money is all mine to throw away as I see fit.

At worst, my Bushy is a test-bed until I get it right or get something I think is right for me.

[C4IGrant]

Originally Posted by miss debbie

Why is there so much negativity on other gun boards to rob_s chart?
I thought it was very informative and detailed, if it wasn’t for the chart I would have ended up with an Olympic Arms. Before I used to get some of my info from gun store employees he told us that an AR rifles are the same some just go to different manufactures, now I know this to be BS. My first AR was an LMT, and then my husband bought us matching Noveske rifles since we couldn’t find Colt’s 6920 in stock locally. Thanks Rob for your chart and for letting me know about M4carbine.net.

The chart scares people. They bought a gun that is not as good as they thought it was and are butt hurt over hurt.

For whatever reason, adult males become married to their gear and cannot stand the thought that something they bought is not the best.

As the saying goes, "ignorance is bliss."


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[C4IGrant]

Originally Posted by Frens

since we're talking about the chart... (oh btw, Thanks Rob for your detailed job! )

I've always heard that Bushy dont test every single barrel or bolt but only batch test them.
also I read on another board that who made the chart can't prove it....

now the question is: how do we know that Bushy only batch test their barrels and bolts?

I dont want to start a flame...I'm just curious

For the longest time, BM stated on TOS that they MP'd EVERY barrel and bolt. Push came to shove one day and BM finally came out and admitted that they only batch test.

This is has been known fact for MANY years now.


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[alvincullumyork]

First of all, thank you Rob for all of the information about what the chart actually means and the links attached to each of the section where great to.

But lately when i click to the link of the chart I only get the information and not the actual chart. Is this some setting on my computer or something else?

[rob_s]

check out the tabs at the bottom of the page on the left side. There are two versions of the Chart there.