Daniel Defense
       

Go Back   M4Carbine.net Forums > Tactical Gear > Tactical Gear

Tactical Gear Support Equipment

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-15-2009, 05:02 PM
Charlie-2-6's Avatar
Charlie-2-6 Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Europe
Posts: 20
iTrader: (0)
"Discrete" rifle bag: Voodoo (field) hockey bag (56K killer !!!)

It all started a few weekends ago whilst attending an escrima seminar at one of our local clubs. Somewhere during registration for the seminar I see a guy showing up with an interesting bag.
I immediately see its potential as a covert rifle bag. So I go up to the guy (who turned out to be one of the instructors, as I was to find out just moments later ) and ask him what kind of bag it is, where he got it and how much it costs.
So he tells me that it’s a hockey bag and he got it from a hockey shop in Germany and it costed him somewhere around 65 Euro. He even vaguely remembered the shop’s website.
So that evening, after the seminar I immediately started browsing the intarweb for that bag. Got lucky right at my first search (Google was my friend in this instance) and immediately ordered myself a bag. It costed me (incl S&H) 68 Euro and was delivered at my door the next Friday. Just in time to use it in last weekends DSR match.
That’s the main purpose of this bag: getting my rifle and gear in a very low-profile way to the matches, since the majority of these matches are held way up north in Holland. So when people see me, I want to give them the impression that I’m just some guy who’s into field hockey.

Here’s some specs of the bag:
Height: 97 cm (3’ 18”)
Width: 25 cm (9.84”)
Depth: approx 18 cm (7.09”) for the two “cargo pockets” and 3 cm (1.18”) for the “stick”pouch
Material used: some waterproofed synthetic whatchamacallit. Definitely not cordura.
The bottom part of stick pouch is reinforced with some thicker plastic material.
The straps are padded as is the upper part and lower part of the carrying frame.
The frame is stiffened by adding three small strips of metal.
Finish of the bag is quite good, but of course it’s no way near one of those Model 1 covert rifle bags.
Given the price etc it is most likely made in China (but I haven’t found the tag yet )

There are two main cargo pockets on the bag, a bottom one measuring 18 x 50 x 25 (7.09 x 19.69 x 9.84) and a top one measuring 15 x 49 x 25 (5.91 x 19.29 x 9.84).
At each side of the top cargo pocket there’s two smaller side pouches about 17 cm (6.69”) deep, with a small mesh insert and a bungee strap.
In the top cover there’s also a small pocket. And finally between the top and bottom cargo pockets, there’s a small pocket large enough to fit a holstered pistol.

My AR with 14.5” barrel and partially collapsed UBR fits snugly into the stick pouch with the Aimpoint T1, FUG and taclight attached. Adding the magnifier makes it a PITA to fit it in the pouch.
Putting on the Leupold made it a major PITA just getting the rifle pushed down the pouch. When trying to take my rifle out, it had to take off the scope before I could take out the rifle.
So for those looking for a bag from which they can quickly produce their rifle: don’t go this route, the pouch is just a tad too small.
For me it serves my purposes: a covert bag for attending DSR matches across the border.
The rest of my gear fits nicely into both cargo pouches and even gives me some room to put in an extra fleece vest, or wet weather gear + some spare mags, if needed my pistol for when it’s a two-gun event, an extra light, my scope, etc etc.
Thanks to the padded straps and the small pack frame, for lack of a better description, the feel and weight of the loaded up bag is quite comfy. Of course will it not stand up to the rigors of an extended hike over rough terrain, but there’s no need for it. It only has to carry my rifle from my house into the car and from the car to the range and vice versa.

Apart from some test fitting and figuring out what the best way is to put my rifle in, I’ve only been able to use it once in real life, ergo take it to a match.

My Final verdict:
PRO:
It definitely is covert enough
It comes at a fair price
It does serve my purposes

CONS:
It’ll fit my rifle, but after some minor fumbling
Retrieving your rifle quickly is not possible, again does it require some fumbling
Not all optics can be fitted to your rifle: i.e. the pouch is a tad too small
The bag will probably not survive 10 years (but what can you expect, given it’s low cost)

And finally some pics:

Front view


Rear view with straps & frame


Rear: “stick” pouch


Pocket in topcover


Left side pocket


Bottom cargo compartment


Bunch-o-stuff packed into the bag

Last edited by Charlie-2-6; 04-19-2009 at 03:12 PM Reason: Title changed as it might confuse people wrt an existing product
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-15-2009, 07:10 PM
calicojack's Avatar
calicojack Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: alabama
Posts: 241
iTrader: (2)
would you say a 16" weapon with a completely collapsed moe would fit or no?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-16-2009, 03:21 PM
Charlie-2-6's Avatar
Charlie-2-6 Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Europe
Posts: 20
iTrader: (0)
Yep, should pose no problems lenghtwise that is. Adding optics like scopes etc could make it difficult to insert the rifle in the pouch, as I mentioned in my review.
My SIG 550, having a overal lenght of 1m fits in the bag and leaves just the flashhider exposed when the stock isn't folded. With a folded stock, there's even room to spare.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-16-2009, 04:28 PM
SeriousStudent's Avatar
SeriousStudent Online
Site Sponsor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,804
iTrader: (6)
Interesting, they do look like good camo.

http://www.mantishockey.com/xcart/home.php?cat=251
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-17-2009, 12:45 PM
Vic303's Avatar
Vic303 Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 305
iTrader: (0)
Be sure to check out your local used sporting goods store for gear bags like that. Pawn shops too...and ratty old double sided guitar cases for $8 are quite stealthy too, ya know...
__________________
Now for wrath, now for ruin, and a red dawn!

Not Forgotten:
http://www.virtualwall.org/dk/KillenJD01a.htm
http://www.virtualwall.org/db/BoddenTR01a.htm

Last edited by Vic303; 04-17-2009 at 12:46 PM
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-20-2009, 09:35 AM
rugburn Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 17
iTrader: (0)
That's a great bag if you have a ton of gear. I just bought a Mizuno bat bag from Academy Sports to carry my 16" M4. There is a compartment below the main bag where the bats would go. I plan to put a thin piece of plywood in that compartment and line the inside of the bag with foam that will be attached to the board in some manner. Finally, I'll add some velcro straps to secure the carbine to the foam/board. There should still be quite a bit of room left for other range gear.

Here's a link to the bag. http://www.amazon.com/Mizuno-Vintage.../dp/B000EB68SS It's just wide enough to cover my M4 with Eotech and BFG mounted. Best $40 I've spent so far.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-20-2009, 04:45 PM
calicojack's Avatar
calicojack Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: alabama
Posts: 241
iTrader: (2)
i just went to sports authority and looked at a nike bag. i was kinda impressed. I might go back and get it. I'm thinking i need to down grade my gear though, as i'm running a full plate carrier atm. i need to start putting together a grab and go rig that's smaller and lighter.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-21-2009, 04:30 AM
Charlie-2-6's Avatar
Charlie-2-6 Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Europe
Posts: 20
iTrader: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rugburn View Post
... I plan to put a thin piece of plywood in that compartment and line the inside of the bag with foam that will be attached to the board in some manner. ...
I've got a few ideas about attaching that foam:
easiest and less messy way is by using double coated tape (I work in the tape industry and sticking tape to foam is one of our specialties ), get one that's polyester based (won't tear that easily) + resistant to high temps, 'cause otherwise the glue will start "to bleed" when left too long out in the sun.
Second option would be some sort of (solventless) glue, since you don't want to melt your foam.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-21-2009, 06:31 AM
calicojack's Avatar
calicojack Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: alabama
Posts: 241
iTrader: (2)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rugburn View Post
T I plan to put a thin piece of plywood in that compartment and line the inside of the bag with foam that will be attached to the board in some manner.
look at kydex. it's strong and lighter than wood. plus it can be shaped when heated to extreme temps.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-21-2009, 07:12 PM
SeriousStudent's Avatar
SeriousStudent Online
Site Sponsor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,804
iTrader: (6)
Quote:
Originally Posted by calicojack View Post
look at kydex. it's strong and lighter than wood. plus it can be shaped when heated to extreme temps.
That's what I am looking at.

There is a Nike baseball practice bag I have my eye on at Academy. I was planning on using a large sheet of kydex, and basically make a "tub floor" with Kydex. Then use Gorilla Glue to put some foam in the bottom.

That should help with rattling, and protect the optic on the rifle.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-21-2009, 08:01 PM
calicojack's Avatar
calicojack Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: alabama
Posts: 241
iTrader: (2)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
That's what I am looking at.

There is a Nike baseball practice bag I have my eye on at Academy. I was planning on using a large sheet of kydex, and basically make a "tub floor" with Kydex. Then use Gorilla Glue to put some foam in the bottom.

That should help with rattling, and protect the optic on the rifle.
the nike bag i was looking at at sports authority was going to run like $38 plus tax. I'm thinking i'm going to make a "backer board" with straps to help hold the weapon in place. gorilla glue is very nasty stuff. it DOES NOT COME OFF.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-22-2009, 03:46 PM
gjj Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 160
iTrader: (0)
I simply just put my rifle in a soft case. Then, I put my soft case in the discreet carry bag.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-22-2009, 07:07 PM
SeriousStudent's Avatar
SeriousStudent Online
Site Sponsor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,804
iTrader: (6)
Quote:
Originally Posted by calicojack View Post
.....

gorilla glue is very nasty stuff. it DOES NOT COME OFF.
Indeed. That is exactly why I am going to use it to attach the closed-cell foam to the Kydex, so that it will not come off in the Texas heat.

It gets a bit toasty here in August.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-23-2009, 11:23 PM
Revelations's Avatar
Revelations Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: NW Indiana
Posts: 52
iTrader: (0)
Interesting idea.

Ive been looking for something for discrete carry of items from Point A to Point B.

Might have to give this some serious thought.

thanks for posting.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-24-2009, 12:21 PM
calicojack's Avatar
calicojack Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: alabama
Posts: 241
iTrader: (2)
ETA: nevermind. your original posting had all the measurements needed

Last edited by calicojack; 04-24-2009 at 12:26 PM
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 06-19-2009, 10:49 PM
KaliSIG's Avatar
KaliSIG Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Summerlin, Nevada
Posts: 29
iTrader: (0)
Just an FYI, the packs are now on sale (50% off). The Voodoo bag, in question, is on sale for $30. I've ordered one and should be in by late next week.

Here's the link: http://www.mantishockey.com/xcart/home.php?cat=251
__________________
"Oderint dum metuant." - Caligula

Last edited by KaliSIG; 06-19-2009 at 10:50 PM Reason: Added link
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-19-2009, 11:22 PM
Scottso's Avatar
Scottso Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 47
iTrader: (0)
Thanks for info and link, for $30 for the big one it's a great deal!
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 06-20-2009, 11:49 AM
Reddevil Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 228
iTrader: (0)
My Discreet Carry bag

This is a Razor scooter bag I picked up from a guy who bought a couple extra ones while visiting family in BC, Canada. I haven't found them being sold anywhere in the US. It fits my 6920 with no room to spare lengthwise, but it does have another long pocket that would fit another carbine. There is a bottom outside pocket that fits 3 30rd magazines as well as a small middle pouch that fits my cleaning kit, sight tool, etc and a top pouch that fits more 30rd magazines.

outside of bag


back of bag with shoulder straps



inside of bag with rifle secured


rifle on top for comparison
__________________
Tactics are nice, but violence rules the day
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 06-21-2009, 03:17 PM
SeriousStudent's Avatar
SeriousStudent Online
Site Sponsor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,804
iTrader: (6)
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaliSIG View Post
Just an FYI, the packs are now on sale (50% off). The Voodoo bag, in question, is on sale for $30. I've ordered one and should be in by late next week.

Here's the link: http://www.mantishockey.com/xcart/home.php?cat=251
Thanks, I have one inbound now.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 06-22-2009, 12:14 PM
esskay Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 195
iTrader: (0)
Reddevil,
That Razor bag looks pretty cool - I did a google search and came up empty. I don't suppose you were able to find another source for them either? Ironically, I've been known to use the cardboard box my son's Razor came in to transport extra uppers.

Kalisig/Seriousstudent,
There are several $30 hockey bags on sale, which one of them have you guys ordered? Thanks
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.