New S&W .22LR AR

[tylerw02]

$500+shipping+FFL fees buys a LOT of reloading components.

[Icculus]

Originally Posted by scottryan

I'm sorry and I hate to disagree but this is just more cheap BS that started with the Walther P22 and continued to the SIG Mosquito, GSG5, Sig 522, Colt M4 22lr, and now this.

I do not like the way the industry is moving toward this stuff.

Why would a person buy this rather than a real AR15 upper with a conversion bolt is beyond me.

Your allowed to disagree, no apologies necessary. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else I also don't like trends toward cheapening(sp?) of products that is afflicting many industries, not just firearms.

To try answer your question as to why though in this particular case. If your talking about a just a conversion bolt such as the cmmg, etc.; for me its the fact that I don't want to shoot .22 out of a .223 barrel. Yeah they're close but I'm almost positive the bore diameters aren't the same. If your talking about a dedicated upper (spikes or other), then for me personally its the fact I don't want to change uppers. If I had 1 lower and say a .22, a .223 and 6.8 upper I don't look at it as "Wow look how modular this system is, awesome!". Instead I would see 2 unfinished guns and say "Damn! I need to buy a couple more lowers". By the time you do that your talking about a close to $1000 dedicated .22 in which case I can give you about $500 reasons why I'm looking hard at the S&W offering. Just my $0.02



Grant, do you know if only the S&W mags will work?
EDIT: Scratch that, just saw where you said the mags were proprietary.

[hayes]

Grant,

can we get some shots of the feed ramp and barrel extension/breech face?

[OldNavyGuy]

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

From what we have seen, these have not been very reliable.
C4

you are correct in that statement, i tried to "dump" a full 30 rnd. mag. and all i had was one problem after another with feeding and ejection, i made the "9 turns on the bolt tension screw" but have not had a chance to test it.

is there an owners manual on the S&W .22LR any where to be reviewed ?
i would like to have more info on the S&W, when do you expect them to arrive in your inventory, being the gun nutt that i am i just may add one to my inventory.

[C4IGrant]

Originally Posted by OldNavyGuy

you are correct in that statement, i tried to "dump" a full 30 rnd. mag. and all i had was one problem after another with feeding and ejection, i made the "9 turns on the bolt tension screw" but have not had a chance to test it.

is there an owners manual on the S&W .22LR any where to be reviewed ?
i would like to have more info on the S&W, when do you expect them to arrive in your inventory, being the gun nutt that i am i just may add one to my inventory.

There is an owners manual, but is not online.

No idea when I will get my orders filled.



C4

[C4IGrant]

Originally Posted by Icculus

Your allowed to disagree, no apologies necessary. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else I also don't like trends toward cheapening(sp?) of products that is afflicting many industries, not just firearms.

To try answer your question as to why though in this particular case. If your talking about a just a conversion bolt such as the cmmg, etc.; for me its the fact that I don't want to shoot .22 out of a .223 barrel. Yeah they're close but I'm almost positive the bore diameters aren't the same. If your talking about a dedicated upper (spikes or other), then for me personally its the fact I don't want to change uppers. If I had 1 lower and say a .22, a .223 and 6.8 upper I don't look at it as "Wow look how modular this system is, awesome!". Instead I would see 2 unfinished guns and say "Damn! I need to buy a couple more lowers". By the time you do that your talking about a close to $1000 dedicated .22 in which case I can give you about $500 reasons why I'm looking hard at the S&W offering. Just my $0.02



Grant, do you know if only the S&W mags will work?
EDIT: Scratch that, just saw where you said the mags were proprietary.

Only the S&W mags will work.


C4

[sholling]

I like the idea of this a lot and think of it as a low cost training aid. As soon as they make a 10rd non-fixed stock version available I'll pick one up. Even better would be an S&W upper. I see this as a much better solution than a $600 upper or a conversion kit.

[CAR-AR-M16]

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

To be honest, at this price point, it is hard to look at a .22 upper.

We will most likely offer M4 members a discount on them (making them even cheaper).

C4

How do we get on your list for a threaded barrel version when they become available?

[C4IGrant]

Originally Posted by CAR-AR-M16

How do we get on your list for a threaded barrel version when they become available?

Send us an e-mail and we will add you to our BO list.


C4

[G-lock]

Is the pistol grip removable?? Thanx, Jeff

[C4IGrant]

Originally Posted by G-lock

Is the pistol grip removalbe?? Thanx, Jeff

Yes and you can install a different stock as well.


C4

[CAR-AR-M16]

Grant, do you know which kind of Rail Covers will attach to the rail (KAC, TD, etc,,)?

[C4IGrant]

Originally Posted by CAR-AR-M16

Grant, do you know which kind of Rail Covers will attach to the rail (KAC, TD, etc,,)?

They are 1913 spec so most anyting should fit.

Since there is no heat, I would just use ladders for XTM's to keep the rail from getting overly wide.



C4

[CAR-AR-M16]

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

They are 1913 spec so most anyting should fit.

Since there is no heat, I would just use ladders for XTM's to keep the rail from getting overly wide.

C4

I was wanting to get one of these rifles to use as an inexpensive training rifle, so I wanted it to be as close as possible to my other AR's which have the KAC Panels. It does not look from the pics that you posted that the rail has the notch for the KAC panels to lock into. No big deal though.

[OldNavyGuy]

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

From what we have seen, these have not been very reliable.

C4

i posted this note on another AR forum concerning my experience with the new Colt M4 .22LR.

well folks.., i got this one, got it Friday it is still NIB.

i had this one:


for about two weeks, then my son stopped by and he wanted it for my two teenage Granddaughters to practice with before he turns them onto his "REAL" Colt M4 type rifle, he paid me just what i paid for it (by his insistence), the first mag. full of .22LR Winchester HV Power Points, i had about 11 stoppages, failure to feed (2), stove piping (3) and light firing pin strikes (6) so i just quit shooting it, come home called Umarex (yes, i read the inst. booklet.., which is about 85% "SAFETY", "WARNINGS" and "CAUTIONS", 10% info and 5% B.S.) Umarex guy told me to turn the F.H. (the manual calls it the "barrel nut") two full turns loose and "HAMMER" (you read that correctly.., "HAMMER") out the rear "field striping" pin, to you and i this is the rear take down pin, and trust me on this, you really have to "HAMMER" the damn thing out, if you try hammering the pin out with out loosening the F.H. you could damage the aluminum breech block (? for lack of a better name), when you loosen the F.H. it allows the action to move rearward about a 1/16th" releasing tension on the 6 separate holes the pin fits thru, then take the supplied long Allen wrench and turn the set screw in 9 full turns, making sure the screw is flush with the rear of the "receiver" when starting, flush is for low power ammo (usually, bulk packs), 9 turns in is for HV or HiPower cartridges.., i done all this, loaded both mags full of the above mentioned ammo and went to a safe area and shot the first mag in a plinking scenario with several rapid trigger pulls, second mag. was a "dump", just as fast as my trigger finger would wiggle the trigger, NO problems or hang ups.

my problem with this set up is that there no way to remove bolt for cleaning the action or barrel, Umarex recommends a flexible cleaning rod inserted in the muzzle and bringing the end out thru the ejection port attaching a brush or patch. i agree it is rather "chintzy" looking and in construction, but ! as long as it works that is prime.

now that i have the railed one, i will be ready for shooting it without the constant frustration of malfunctions.

they also sent me a video by Email if i knew how to post it here i would. if anyone has questions just ask.

[C4IGrant]

Last week, I had a conversation with the good folks at S&W about the ability to remove the barrel (as I wanted to cut the barrel down and mount suppressor inside of the rail). They kindly advised me that there was a special tool needed to remove the barrel. Oh reeeaaally???

As many of you already know, we here at G&R CANNOT leave well enough alone and managed to get the barrel off of the gun.

How S&W set this barrel up up is really interesting. They slide the barrel into the receiver from the REAR. Then they run a special barrel nut through the rail and lock it down. Pretty slick idea I think. Because of this, they can attach the ejector to the barrel which is one of the reasons (IMHO) why this .22 AR is more reliable than other products on the market.


C4

[Going4Broke]

I likey.

[Pi3]

Does the safety rotate 90 deg. like the ar? How does the manual of arms differ from the ar? Looks tempting.

[davidk]

You can do a lot of great training with a 22. I put together a list of the drills that I do and then separated them into two sections; drills that require recoil control and drills that don't. Surprisingly, the vast majority of drills do not require recoil control which makes them perfect for a 22. I have a neat article coming out soon on training with a 22AR. I will post it once I have details of a publish date

[loupav]

That looks very cool.

Will they 10 rounds mags for it?