Is this going to come back and bite us in the ass?

30 cal slut · #1 10-10-09, 07:07

Green Berets training Iraqi special forces in CQB.

first 30 sec is a commercial

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...sion.creep.cnn

Iraq Ninja · #2 10-10-09, 07:15

No.

It has been going on since the early days. Nothing new here. CQB isn't rocket science, and they need it since they are doing a lot of the door kicking these days.

Abraxas · #3 10-10-09, 07:22

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Originally Posted by Iraq Ninja

No.

It has been going on since the early days. Nothing new here. CQB isn't rocket science, and they need it since they are doing a lot of the door kicking these days.

Agreed, in fact teaching foreign forces is one of their main jobs.

Scouse · #4 10-10-09, 07:51

A thousand years of hate and tribalism is embedded into the Iraq infrastructure, who is really being trained here?

The American way is not the way of the middle east. How can the stone age in treatment of, for instance females, be changed? Especially when the men do not want it changed?

panzerr · #5 10-10-09, 10:27

What he said -this has been going on since the beginning.

I have confidence the Iraqis will find a way to fuck up what they've learned while trying to prove to each other how mocho they are.

Iraq Ninja · #6 10-10-09, 10:44

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Originally Posted by Scouse

A thousand years of hate and tribalism is embedded into the Iraq infrastructure, who is really being trained here?

The American way is not the way of the middle east. How can the stone age in treatment of, for instance females, be changed? Especially when the men do not want it changed?

Scouse,

You must of had different experiences with Iraqi females. In fact, they are more liberated than other Arab countries, especially in Baghdad.

We just opened a new grade school in Hilla. The head master is a woman. I have met many Iraqi woman who hold high offices in their government. They tend to be more honest and hard working then their male counterparts.

The problem with Iraq is a deep seated tradition of corruption at all levels.

The only thing that will come back and bite us on the ass is if we do nothing to help the current Iraqi government.

Business_Casual · #7 10-10-09, 10:52

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Originally Posted by Scouse

A thousand years of hate and tribalism is embedded into the Iraq infrastructure, who is really being trained here?

Isn't the whole point of the 36th that it is made up of men from every area/tribe/militia?

M_P

RogerinTPA · #8 10-10-09, 11:47

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Originally Posted by Scouse

A thousand years of hate and tribalism is embedded into the Iraq infrastructure, who is really being trained here?

The American way is not the way of the middle east. How can the stone age in treatment of, for instance females, be changed? Especially when the men do not want it changed?

Apples to Oranges. This is the teaching of tactics. It is not the mission of the United States, to make or force, a cultural shift. It is their country. We have influenced them to a degree to be more open to allow more freedoms, BUT....change is an evolutionary process and must occur naturally, in order to be most effective, even if it does occur at a snails pace. It will be for a greater good in the long run, if it naturally progresses, with less backlash from traditionalist and hardliners. Regardless of the country.

Scouse · #9 10-10-09, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Iraq Ninja

Scouse,

You must of had different experiences with Iraqi females. In fact, they are more liberated than other Arab countries, especially in Baghdad.

We just opened a new grade school in Hilla. The head master is a woman. I have met many Iraqi woman who hold high offices in their government. They tend to be more honest and hard working then their male counterparts.

The problem with Iraq is a deep seated tradition of corruption at all levels.

The only thing that will come back and bite us on the ass is if we do nothing to help the current Iraqi government.

Big generalization, I am kind of good at putting foot in mouth!

BiggLee71 · #10 10-10-09, 12:56

I know we've been doing it for awhile and F.I.D is a SOCOM mission but I just feel there is something inherently wrong with teaching our potential enemies our tactics and procedures.

Iraqgunz · #11 10-10-09, 15:15

I am fairly certain that they are teaching "general" CQB tactics and they are not revealing their own TTP's/ SOP's. You can Google CQB and find basic shit on the net.

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Originally Posted by BiggLee71@hotmail.com

I know we've been doing it for awhile and F.I.D is a SOCOM mission but I just feel there is something inherently wrong with teaching our potential enemies our tactics and procedures.

Iraq Ninja · #12 10-10-09, 15:31

Next year we will see around 140 M1 Abrams tanks with Iraqi flags on them. We already sold the tanks to Kuwait, Egypt, and Saudi.

But, the good news is that we are safe, since Itunes won't let me download songs from their store, because my IP address is in Iraq.

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Oh, and the SAS recently trained up the Libyan special forces. Hmm, part of a larger deal maybe?

Scouse · #13 10-10-09, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Iraq Ninja

Next year we will see around 140 M1 Abrams tanks with Iraqi flags on them. We already sold the tanks to Kuwait, Egypt, and Saudi.

But, the good news is that we are safe, since Itunes won't let me download songs from their store, because my IP address is in Iraq.

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Oh, and the SAS recently trained up the Libyan special forces. Hmm, part of a larger deal maybe?

They will train anyone, then go back in a year, and kill them all!

Outlander Systems · #14 10-10-09, 17:05

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Originally Posted by BiggLee71@hotmail.com

I know we've been doing it for awhile and F.I.D is a SOCOM mission but I just feel there is something inherently wrong with teaching our potential enemies our tactics and procedures.

I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Form what I've been hearing, teaching the Iraqis advanced combat tactics is akin to teaching your dog how to type.

wake.joe · #15 10-10-09, 17:17

They get very specific instruction.

mjp · #16 10-10-09, 22:02

its about the same as your basic infantry grunt would have. maybe less. they need all the help they can get, they are one of the few groups that have a chance of saving that POS country. Iraq needs alot more time/training then it is going to get. corruption/ignorance/stupidity is just a way of life there. i would be surprised if they can keep the Abrams running for more then a year. hell they cant keep the hmmwvs we have giving them running w/o our help.

armakraut · #17 10-11-09, 01:11

At least they aren't right across the border like the Zetas.

Iraq Ninja · #18 10-11-09, 01:34

One aspect that the Shia have us beat at is religious dedication.

Most of you have never experienced the sight of thousands of pilgrims marching to one of the Iraqi religious sites. Imagine a highway full of black clad pilgrims of all ages for as far as you can see. Children, the elderly, the handicapped all try and make it. Most of them travel for hundreds of miles with little on their backs.

They don't worry about where to sleep, since the people in the towns gladly open up their homes to the travelers. Free food and drink is also given out on route.

I doubt 5% of the folks back home could complete such a journey, let alone even be motivated for such an ordeal.

It is this dedication to their religion that may our greatest threat in the long term.

RogerinTPA · #19 10-11-09, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Iraq Ninja

One aspect that the Shia have us beat at is religious dedication.

Most of you have never experienced the sight of thousands of pilgrims marching to one of the Iraqi religious sites. Imagine a highway full of black clad pilgrims of all ages for as far as you can see. Children, the elderly, the handicapped all try and make it. Most of them travel for hundreds of miles with little on their backs.

They don't worry about where to sleep, since the people in the towns gladly open up their homes to the travelers. Free food and drink is also given out on route.

I doubt 5% of the folks back home could complete such a journey, let alone even be motivated for such an ordeal.

It is this dedication to their religion that may our greatest threat in the long term.

Agreed. Add to that the extreme fanaticism that it can be morphed into, under the guise of religion.

rrpederson · #20 10-11-09, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Iraq Ninja

One aspect that the Shia have us beat at is religious dedication.

Most of you have never experienced the sight of thousands of pilgrims marching to one of the Iraqi religious sites. Imagine a highway full of black clad pilgrims of all ages for as far as you can see. Children, the elderly, the handicapped all try and make it. Most of them travel for hundreds of miles with little on their backs.

They don't worry about where to sleep, since the people in the towns gladly open up their homes to the travelers. Free food and drink is also given out on route.

I doubt 5% of the folks back home could complete such a journey, let alone even be motivated for such an ordeal.

It is this dedication to their religion that may our greatest threat in the long term.

the last sentence of this quote is what concerns me the most. if im not mistaken, and if i am, please correct/educate me, but isnt the muslim faith, dedicated to peace after all the christians and jews are killed, enslaved or converted to islam?
like i said please correct me if im wrong.