Brownells
Samson Manufacturing

Go Back   M4Carbine.net Forums > AR/M4 > AR Technical Discussion

AR Technical Discussion Dive into the details and specifications

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Unread 01-30-10, 17:53
mattmcg Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Norcal
Posts: 125
iTrader: (4)
How to identify bolt and carrier manufacturer?

I recently purchased a new bolt and bolt carrier from another person on the net which was represented as an LMT BCG. When I received it, I was curious as to how I could verify its actual manufacturer. Seems to me that there must be a way otherwise we would hear about significant fraud when it comes to the sale of cheap bolts trumped up and sold for more than should be charged..

That said, I don't think there is any foul play here as the bolt is stamped MP and AJ, extractor has the black insert, spring, and crane o-ring, the inside is chrome lined, and the gas key is staked properly.

I'm sure there is a way but was curious how I can go about identifying that the goods are indeed authentic.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Unread 01-30-10, 18:03
Iraqgunz's Avatar
Iraqgunz Offline
Industry Professional/Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Not Where They Take Your Guns Away
Posts: 16,136
iTrader: (68)
I have seen similar marking on LMT bolts before. As for the carrier, very few are actually marked.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mattmcg View Post
I recently purchased a new bolt and bolt carrier from another person on the net which was represented as an LMT BCG. When I received it, I was curious as to how I could verify its actual manufacturer. Seems to me that there must be a way otherwise we would hear about significant fraud when it comes to the sale of cheap bolts trumped up and sold for more than should be charged..

That said, I don't think there is any foul play here as the bolt is stamped MP and AJ, extractor has the black insert, spring, and crane o-ring, the inside is chrome lined, and the gas key is staked properly.

I'm sure there is a way but was curious how I can go about identifying that the goods are indeed authentic.
__________________





"Change....one magazine at a time."-Me

"A firearm should be considered a fighting weapon first. Any other use should be considered a bonus." -Me

"If you won't walk out the door with a weapon you fixed, why should someone else be expected to?"-Me


Armorer Instructor for Sionics

www.semperparatusarms.com

Multiple armorer certifications
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Unread 01-30-10, 20:51
Blankwaffe Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 818
iTrader: (0)
Yeap I'd also say its a LMT bolt.I have a AJ lot code marked bolt I got direct from LMT last summer,so its a recent lot#.Another indicator to help I.D. a LMT bolt is that they have the releived lug roots at the rear base of the lugs which resembles a recessed ring around the bolt in that area.That is a LMT patented design and I have not seen any other bolts with it..
Like IG said,the carriers are hard to eye ball but LMT's gas key screws are a bit different than what is used by the other manufacturers.Pictures of both examples can be found on this site.
To further add,the carrier that came with your AJ bolt will more than likely have a MIM gas key as mine did,which can be identified by a small ring on the top of the gas key between the screws and the gas key bore will not be chrome lined.
Otherwise I would not have any doubts and run it with confidence.
HTH
__________________
-Be without fear in the face of your enemies.
-Be brave and upright that God may love thee.
-Speak the truth always,even if it leads to your death.
-Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
Because AR type 308/7.62 rifles are not all the same like 223/5.56 rifles, you should not call it an AR-10 unless it is Armalite pattern.

Last edited by Blankwaffe; 01-30-10 at 20:55 Reason: ETA
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Unread 01-30-10, 21:24
mattmcg Offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Norcal
Posts: 125
iTrader: (4)
Thank IG and BW. I can confirm the bolt has the patented circular bolt relief on the rear of the bolt lugs. I guess that makes it an LMT..... As for the carrier, I happened to buy this because it is a non-MIM gas key and was made before they switched over. Not sure if the non-MIM is an issue or not, but I'll let others answer that question in due time.

Thanks for the help fellas.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 22:13.


Powered by vBulletin® Version
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.