SBR Question

Adam0331 · #1 06-07-10, 23:36

Ok, I have decided to go the SBR route with my next AR. I have a few questions though.

I have an LWRC complete lower. Will this be good to register and will it be reliable, or would I save some headache by selling it and going with a BCM registered lower? I guess what I'm getting at is, will the paperwork be easier if I get a registered lower?

So far I have the complete lower with Magpul CTR, MIAD and BAD. It came with an H2 buffer. I plan on going with an 11.5" barreled upper from BCM. I would appreciate any feedback you can give me. Thanks.

bkb0000 · #2 06-08-10, 00:04

shouldn't matter.. the only real difference is if you opt to follow ATF "guidelines" and engrave the Form 1 (make) lower.. if you get a BCM SBR lower, on a Form 4 (transfer), the "maker" is already engraved on it.

WEC · #3 06-08-10, 00:52

Unless you live in the same state as BCM, you will have to pay two taxes, so it will cost you more on top of the hassle. My advice would be to register your LWRC.

Iraqgunz · #4 06-08-10, 01:11

I don't believe this is correct and I am sure that one of our resident dealers can clarify. It is my understanding that transfers from one NFA dealer to another are no charge. It just an extra step in the waiting process.

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Originally Posted by WEC

Unless you live in the same state as BCM, you will have to pay two taxes, so it will cost you more on top of the hassle. My advice would be to register your LWRC.

az doug · #5 06-08-10, 01:51

The gun can be transferred tax exempt from the manufacturer to a properly licensed dealer in your state. It is then transferred on a form 4 to an individual.

There is still the question of ATF and a stripped SBR lower. I don't pretend to know that answer and I believe you can get different answers from ATF depending on who is answering the question. Imagine that!

Adam0331 · #6 06-08-10, 05:56

Do you still have the long wait time no matter which route you go?

kry226 · #7 06-08-10, 07:36

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Originally Posted by Adam0331

Do you still have the long wait time no matter which route you go?

Yes. The current internet trends, I believe, are showing form 1's taking a little less time than form 4's. I guess in the end, it all depends on who your examiner is.

To me, it all boils down to costs and what your budget is. Assuming you already have a lower that's good to go, you could have a registered SBR for $200 tax stamp, plus engraving fees- then slap whatever upper you want on it, after BATF approval.

OR, buy a complete registered lower for about $370, plus $200 tax stamp, plus C3/Title II transfer fees (for transfer from other than the original dealer to you) which average around $75-100 that I have seen. Then slap whatever upper you want on it, after BATF approval.

YMMV.

WEC · #8 06-08-10, 09:19

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Originally Posted by Iraqgunz

I don't believe this is correct and I am sure that one of our resident dealers can clarify. It is my understanding that transfers from one NFA dealer to another are no charge. It just an extra step in the waiting process.

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Originally Posted by az doug

The gun can be transferred tax exempt from the manufacturer to a properly licensed dealer in your state. It is then transferred on a form 4 to an individual.

There is still the question of ATF and a stripped SBR lower. I don't pretend to know that answer and I believe you can get different answers from ATF depending on who is answering the question. Imagine that!

I see, my mistake. Thanks for the clarification.

J Krammes · #9 06-08-10, 10:00

Registering your LWRC would be the easiest way to go, because you already have it. No headaches at all, and less waiting. Form 3 transfers to your dealer are running about 3 weeks, then the Form 4 another 3 to 4 months. You can do the Form 1 right away. My first Form 1 took 39 days, and my second took 83 days with the same examiner. If you look around you can find someone local to do the engraving. I got mine done for $10. My 10.5" runs great with an H buffer.

Jeremy

Adam0331 · #10 06-08-10, 10:15

Thanks for the responses.

I guess the second part to my question is: Is my LWRC lower and it's components good to go? Is their LPK quality? I'm not trying to start an LWRC bash fest, either. Thank you.

Adam0331 · #11 06-08-10, 10:19

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Originally Posted by J Krammes

Registering your LWRC would be the easiest way to go, because you already have it. No headaches at all, and less waiting. Form 3 transfers to your dealer are running about 3 weeks, then the Form 4 another 3 to 4 months. You can do the Form 1 right away. My first Form 1 took 39 days, and my second took 83 days with the same examiner. If you look around you can find someone local to do the engraving. I got mine done for $10. My 10.5" runs great with an H buffer.

Jeremy

Where did you get your's engraved and how does it look? I see you are in Eastern PA so it may be close to me.

Rated21R · #12 06-08-10, 11:39

might I recommend Ident Marking Services for SBR engraving. I used them (after seeing JTrusty's SBR engraved) and I couldn't be more pleased. Check them out.

J Krammes · #13 06-08-10, 12:23

I have never herd anything bad about LWRC.

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Originally Posted by Adam0331

Where did you get your's engraved and how does it look? I see you are in Eastern PA so it may be close to me.

I got it done at R & W Engraving just out side of Hamburg (about 3 min. from Cabelas). I am very happy with the way it looks. I would definitely go back for another one. I got it done in the trigger guard. It was the first lower he ever did. I think I made him nervous standing over his shoulder.

Jeremy

bkb0000 · #14 06-08-10, 12:29

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Originally Posted by J Krammes

I have never herd anything bad about LWRC.

well, hot damn! you've come to the right place.

Mark?

J Krammes · #15 06-08-10, 12:35

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Originally Posted by bkb0000

well, hot damn! you've come to the right place.

Mark?

Please point me in the right direction. I am looking at getting a REPR. I know about the mag issue, but I have never herd of any issues with the 5.56 guns.

Jeremy

Adam0331 · #16 06-08-10, 12:52

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Originally Posted by J Krammes

I have never herd anything bad about LWRC.

I got it done at R & W Engraving just out side of Hamburg (about 3 min. from Cabelas). I am very happy with the way it looks. I would definitely go back for another one. I got it done in the trigger guard. It was the first lower he ever did. I think I made him nervous standing over his shoulder.

Jeremy

Well, that's pretty convenient. I'm from Lenhartsville. Thanks man. You don't happen to have any pictures of his work do you?

Magic_Salad0892 · #17 06-09-10, 13:58

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Originally Posted by J Krammes

Please point me in the right direction. I am looking at getting a REPR. I know about the mag issue, but I have never herd of any issues with the 5.56 guns.

Jeremy

I don't think he was saying anything bad about them, he was just referring to another poster who uses his every living breath badmouthing them. (For no good reason.)

LWRCi is a very reputable company. In my experience.

Just out of curiosity:

Where did you get just the lower?

What SBR upper are you looking for?

Adam0331 · #18 06-09-10, 14:15

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Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892

I don't think he was saying anything bad about them, he was just referring to another poster who uses his every living breath badmouthing them. (For no good reason.)

LWRCi is a very reputable company. In my experience.

Just out of curiosity:

Where did you get just the lower?

What SBR upper are you looking for?

I have a couple buddy's who work at a shop and they knew I wanted to get a lower and build it. So, an M6A2 came in that the owner just wanted the upper to and they sold me the complete lower.

I'm looking at going with a BCM BFH 11.5" with the Mk18 RIS II.

TehLlama · #19 06-09-10, 16:24

Your LWRC lower will be GTG, and starting with a BCM 11.5" and Mk18 should be golden.

Only other thing to do is check classifieds, see if anybody has a very similar upper they're selling.

Adam0331 · #20 06-09-10, 17:25

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Originally Posted by TehLlama

Your LWRC lower will be GTG, and starting with a BCM 11.5" and Mk18 should be golden.

Only other thing to do is check classifieds, see if anybody has a very similar upper they're selling.

Thanks! I just have to get my paperwork in to get the ball rolling on this thing.