HK USP 45F sold!!!Full size G21 to replace it...Now what??

BLACK LION · #1 07-22-10, 16:02

Erring on the side of caution I reduced my .45 stable to nothing... The USP 45 and every single accoutrement is gone with the wind.

I went with a full size Glock 21 for a few reasons that I dont care to get into... Now what???

Alex F · #2 07-22-10, 16:05

Does it have to be plastic? Could get a used West German SIG 220 in .45 for 5-600.

GermanSynergy · #3 07-22-10, 16:07

M&P 45 would be a fine choice, given your parameters.

However, G&R Tactical has the best deals going on the M&P's, and sells em for considerably less than $564.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...&category=SMWE

Ed L. · #4 07-22-10, 16:12

M&P45 with the Apex sear.

I don't think you will like the HK45 much more than you did the USP45.

Mark71 · #5 07-22-10, 16:16

Since the HK45 is out I would recommend going with the M&P .45. Lots of sight choices and with the addition of the Apex sear you will have a great shooting/feeling .45.

Ed L. · #6 07-22-10, 17:31

Don't get me wrong, I actually like the HK45. I just think that if you did not like the HK USP45 you probably will not like the HK45 as much as the MP45 as long as you do something about the MP45's trigger that is pretty bad from the factory.

BLACK LION · #7 07-22-10, 17:52

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Originally Posted by Ed L.

Don't get me wrong, I actually like the HK45. I just think that if you did not like the HK USP45 you probably will not like the HK45 as much as the MP45 as long as you do something about the MP45's trigger that is pretty bad from the factory.

If I am not mistaken, the HK45 allowed me to get the web of my palm up higher on the gun. It is not CADOJ approved so PPT here runs @ scalping prices( 1300.00+)

No G21 love??

I checked out G&R and it does not specify wether it has the thumb safety???

SWATcop556 · #8 07-22-10, 18:33

I would go with the M&P45 and have Grant tune it up at his shop before he sends it out to you. You can have the trigger tuned with Apex parts and I think he's even stepping into the stippled backstrap business. Sounds like he's going to a one stop shop for setting up any M&P of your choice. I believe the TS is an option to add as well.

I'm a huge Glock fan bur I have no love for the offerings in 45. Just not a need for me and they don't fit my hand.

nautilus · #9 07-22-10, 19:14

What didn't you like about the USP?
Grip too big?
What didn't you like about the XD45?

BLACK LION · #10 07-22-10, 19:31

Does G&R charge shipping??? It does not look like he does unless its UPS express.
I did not see the external thumb safety on the ones he has listed either???

What aftermarket accoutrement is an absolute necessity on the M&P45???

BLACK LION · #11 07-22-10, 20:03

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Originally Posted by nautilus

What didn't you like about the USP?
Grip too big?
What didn't you like about the XD45?

Grip size is a non-issue... It the thickness of the beavertail that prevents me from getting the web of my hand high enough on the gun to keep my performance consistent. The high bore axis "issue" can only be mitigated by permanently altering the grip. I thought to shave the beaver tail since it is thick enough to do so and then stipple it but I figured it would be best to get a pistol that does not need to be permanently altered in ordered to work for me. I also do not fancy the HK only rail interface and the adapters sit my M6X way to low on the gun.
I love the USP but not enough to make excuses for it.
I gave it a fair shake by running 2500 rounds through it before determining its fate.

The XD 45T... well, no complaints here other than the location of the slide stop....My thing is this... What if it breaks?? Will springfield take care of me??? I called and they only cover defects, not normal wear and tear...so much for a lifetime warranty aye....They are not difficult to work on but there may be an issue with the availability of certain parts...
Great gun so far, with no complaints other than some finnicky-ness with the slide stop and certain ammo types...Certainly these issues can be alleiviated or resolved completely...

96 SS · #12 07-22-10, 20:10

I'm no handgun power user - but I love my M&P9C. So my vote would be an M&P tuned at GR.

ralph · #13 07-22-10, 20:23

As far as the M&P .45's go, I'd check out the Midsize.45..Very accurate and not a bad choice at all for a CCW. I've got about 3000 rnds on mine, 95% of those my loads,200gr LSWC's. So far, I've had exactly 1 FTF..I ended up going the full Apex route (springs, sear usb, a part at a time) stippled it myself, put Heinie straight 8's on it, and wound up with a damn good pistol, It used to have a TS, but I removed it and installed frame plugs. I'd E-mail Grant at G&R and ask about the M&P's with the TS, he may have them in stock,and he'll set it up the way you want it, before it leaves the shop..

BLACK LION · #14 07-22-10, 20:57

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Originally Posted by ralph

As far as the M&P .45's go, I'd check out the Midsize.45..Very accurate and not a bad choice at all for a CCW. I've got about 3000 rnds on mine, 95% of those my loads,200gr LSWC's. So far, I've had exactly 1 FTF..I ended up going the full Apex route (springs, sear usb, a part at a time) stippled it myself, put Heinie straight 8's on it, and wound up with a damn good pistol, It used to have a TS, but I removed it and installed frame plugs. I'd E-mail Grant at G&R and ask about the M&P's with the TS, he may have them in stock,and he'll set it up the way you want it, before it leaves the shop..

GTG... got thier answering machine 2x today... will try again manana...

vigilant2 · #15 07-22-10, 20:59

I'm in the process of consolidating into an all glock
family. One XD45 gone, the other up for sale. A third G19 on
the way. I still want at least one 45ACP in the stable and after
fondling/handling the Glock G21SF(short frame) on Tuesday I've decided thats the one for me. I think you should check it out.
The reduced grip is a little more "user friendly" than the
G21, ambidextrous mag release also. I'm getting it with the
standard glock rail (not the picatinny) as there are more
holster options with the former. YMMV

scottd907 · #16 07-22-10, 22:54

iv owned the MP 45 and its was great to shoot and own. But i ended up selling due to lack of cheap target ammo. The trigger isnt the best, but i hear APEX makes a great replacement trigger kit. You can never go wrong with Glock. Sig IMO is another high bore shooter(reason you got rid of the HK) so that isnt a option?

I know own a HK usp 9 and i dont think ill need to own anything else. But iv said that about others too. And the 9mm is easily managed in just about any pistol, high bore or not.

Does it have to be a "plastic" pistol? Have you thought about a 1911 style handgun?

neo9710 · #17 07-23-10, 09:28

FNP-45?

maximus83 · #18 07-23-10, 12:09

M&P 45. Before you buy, check out the sizes (Full, mid, and compact). If you're just getting one, and you want to carry, consider the mid-size. That's what I have, and a lot of folks who carry a .45 really like the way it balances. If I recall, Grant (at G&R Tactical) carries the mid-size M&P .45.

BLACK LION · #19 07-23-10, 12:24

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Originally Posted by scottd907

iv owned the MP 45 and its was great to shoot and own. But i ended up selling due to lack of cheap target ammo. The trigger isnt the best, but i hear APEX makes a great replacement trigger kit. You can never go wrong with Glock. Sig IMO is another high bore shooter(reason you got rid of the HK) so that isnt a option?

I know own a HK usp 9 and i dont think ill need to own anything else. But iv said that about others too. And the 9mm is easily managed in just about any pistol, high bore or not.

Does it have to be a "plastic" pistol? Have you thought about a 1911 style handgun?

I had a custom 1911 and I liked it but it was too much of a primadonna... I sold it and bought the HK USP.

BLACK LION · #20 07-23-10, 12:27

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Originally Posted by neo9710

FNP-45?

I like the M&P45 and Glock21 better.
Albeit, the FNP45 is a nice rig, I just couldnt warm up to it more than the above.
I would take a Five seven though....