Do you need Gas Pistons...

**KevinB** · #1 07-27-06, 10:15

I think not

Two days to go May as well have fun.

Who says you need a gas piston...
600+ rds (no cleaning duh) today from my suppressed Mk18/M4A1

I will conceed that after about 400rds it did slow down a tad

second point of admission -- I blew the damn can up at about 580rds

However it still shot so we fired another few mags (It was then a loud and somewhat less accurate little blaster)

I let some of the EOD guys rip off a few mags - then they wanted to see me let one off one auto - and somewhere near the ned of the mag a baffle weld let go and a bullet went up thru the top of the can (near the end) and then a bunch more blew out fron the front)
Pics to follow

10.5 LMT still runs well though

**M4arc** · #2 07-27-06, 10:31

KICK ASS!!!

Hey, why do you have an American flag patch on your kit? Why not a Canadian flag?

**KevinB** · #3 07-27-06, 10:38

Marc, I live in the US and would be a citizen in a heartbeat...

Secondly I work for the US Gov't on this job...

Now for popped can pics

**M4arc** · #4 07-27-06, 11:08

Ah, cool.

I certainly didn't mean anything by that question. I appreciated seeing you wear it

JLM · #5 07-27-06, 14:05

Kevin,

Welp, it depends upon WHO makes it, COUGH

Especially since you won't be able to get a Colt gun, according to certain 'nebulous entities' and IP thiefs.

Seriously thou, according to Mike LaPlante, Colt's guns ARE coming out, regardless
of StealthHiredGun assertions to the contrary. Funny thing: when I asked him, he told me it was Mike that put the Kabosh on the product? Hrmmmm.....

That can........OUCH...hehehe.....

**KevinB** · #6 07-27-06, 14:17

JLM, I still want a Hk416 *and 417 -- but I still remain unconvinced of the necessity. I may have a 10.5" Hk416 soon...

I may also pick up a POF upper and a complete Colt -- but I wont pick up the "other" one due to ethics.

The can is RSA (South Arfrican) made - unk the actual manufacture -- the vendor is refunding my money.

Between the three of us today we fired more than 700rds each - one FTE (and the two had not cleaned their M4A1's since their 2k ea. range day the day before)

altav · #7 07-27-06, 14:20

Awesome pics.

I'm curious to try the POF 11.5" AR-10 when they release it...

Stay safe.

Cold Zero · #8 07-27-06, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLM

Kevin,

Welp, it depends upon WHO makes it, COUGH

Especially since you won't be able to get a Colt gun, according to certain 'nebulous entities' and IP thiefs.

Seriously thou, according to Mike LaPlante, Colt's guns ARE coming out, regardless
of StealthHiredGun assertions to the contrary. Funny thing: when I asked him, he told me it was Mike that put the Kabosh on the product? Hrmmmm.....

That can........OUCH...hehehe.....

i am not sure i am tracking here and need some clarification.

is colt coming out with a gas piston upper this fall that will be available to civilians?

will the gas system be available in a mid length?

**KevinB** · #9 07-27-06, 15:19

One of the other recent gas piston manufacturers - not Hk,FN,Colt,POF
Was caught being an unethical bugger (at very least)

Midlength is not necessary in a gas piston

Pat_Rogers · #10 07-27-06, 15:26

Kevin- the silence is deafening.........

**KevinB** · #11 07-27-06, 15:36

Yes it is...

But I always get a kick out of going to the range with a Colt (albiet mine is a LMT hybrid) and firing a few thousand rounds -- and no one having problems...

I had one FTE - I blame on LC as the casing looked a little suspicious after I "butt to deck" removed it.

Yojimbo · #12 07-27-06, 15:39

Kevin,

Awesome pics, looks like you are having some fun!

As far a gas piston AR's go I'm still on the fence about them and at this time still very satisfied with my direct gas carbines.

I've went to about 3k rounds with only adding more lube and no cleaning. My AR carbines can shoot my basic ammo loadout many time over before reliability is an issue. In otherwords, I'll probably run out of ammo first...

However, the one thing I really like about the gas piston system is how cool they keep the gun.

nickdrak · #13 07-27-06, 16:21

My LMT/MRP ran for its first 2,500rds without cleaning, without a single weapon related malfunction. Just add oil!

Do we "need" piston AR's? No.

Would I like to have a piston system for my MRP? Sure would.

Nitrox · #14 07-27-06, 20:02

I was shone a high round count bolt carrier by one of the "directors" of LW and mysteriously it had a lot of wear on the outside rear portion of the carrier. When I asked why the wear was there I was told not to worry about it. When I asked why they were hiding the carrier tilt I was told I hadn't seen the wear.

PLW has been lying about carrier tilt and the effects of pistons on AR type rifles since day one, this should not be a surprise.

Griz · #15 07-27-06, 20:12

I'm no HSLD type, in fact I've very low speed and high drag, but I shoot a *lot*, even more now that I have an RDIAS.

Because of the volume I shoot and the fact that I have to buy my own ammo, I shoot pretty much the cheapest ammo that money can buy: steel cased Wolf. This is also probably the Filthiest ammo that money can buy.

All of my uppers will go at least 2000 rounds in a session before they stop working and need cleaning. The stoppage is always a build up of red gunk in the firing pin channel (and under the extractor) to the point that the firing pin can no longer hit the primer.

I am fairly certain that this red gunk is the sealant around the primer and did not come through the gas tube, so I fail to see how a gas piston upper would alleviate this problem.

JLM · #16 07-27-06, 23:36

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Originally Posted by Nitrox

I had it out enough times with PLW to know they were full of shit. The revelation over at Arfcom is certainly no surprise and just makes me laugh. I'm one of the "don't need it guys" so this episode doesn't effect my buying decision. However, I do feel sorry for the 17 year old twits who have wrapped their identity around fantasy spec ops contracts.

By the way, recently I was shone a high round count bolt carrier by one of the "directors" of LW and mysteriously it had a lot of wear on the outside rear portion of the carrier. When I asked why the wear was there I was told not to worry about it. When I asked why they were hiding the carrier tilt I was told I hadn't seen the wear.

PLW has been lying about carrier tilt and the effects of pistons on AR type rifles since day one, this should not be a surprise.

Well now, that's interesting because my understanding was they added the boss on the end of the carrier to address the issue of 'tilt'

SuicideHz · #17 07-28-06, 00:29

Are public stonings technically illegal? I sure hope not...

ETA: I'd like to see this one through to the end...

Nitrox · #18 07-28-06, 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLM

Well now, that's interesting because my understanding was they added the boss on the end of the carrier to address the issue of 'tilt'

The boss is a band-aid for the problem.

K.L. Davis · #19 07-28-06, 11:13

I do so wish that I could tell the full saga of PLW... but out of respect for this site and the desire to keep things focused on target and keenly honed all I can offer is:

Really good pics Kevin. Baffle strikes out of the Mk18 (and such) seem to be more common, I am sure you have seen the guys running larger caliber cans on the short barrels to reduce this?

Personal feeling is that these guns are vitims of bullet buffeting...

JLM · #20 07-28-06, 13:24

Quote:

but out of respect for this site and the desire to keep things focused on target and keenly honed all I can offer is:

Really good pics Kevin.

Its that damn Adult A.D.D. kickin it isn't it?