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07-08-07, 07:52
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Which Ammo to Shoot First at Class?
We are heading to Boone County for Pat's Carbine Operator class. Trying to use some of the older ammunition in the bunker. Choices are 1983 South African M193 in battle packs (Berdan primed so difficult to reload) and 1984 5.56mm WW Q3131 (loaded at Lake City back when WW had the contract).
Which would you shoot first (and why)?
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07-08-07, 08:17
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SA. Focus on training, not on recovering brass. Just sweep it up at the end of the day and dump it.
Use the Win for practice where you have time to recover it, process it and reload it.
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07-08-07, 09:36
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I agree with jmart. As long as they both are reliable that's the way I'd go.
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07-08-07, 14:02
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Makes sense. Thanks.
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07-08-07, 14:07
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Another vote for the above.
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07-08-07, 21:45
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Paul.. Are you in the 11-13 July Class???
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07-09-07, 03:55
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Another vote for shooting up the berdan primed stuff first. It's looking like wolf or maybe .45 in the AR45 for my class next month...
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07-09-07, 07:45
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Paul.. Are you in the 11-13 July Class???
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Some folks dropped out, sooo... Emily, Nathan and I are all coming! You gonna be there?
I'm bringing one of the .22's.
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07-09-07, 08:57
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Yes... A fellow Board member from over on LightFighter who I shot with last year up here in Pat's Class and I will be road marching down tomorrow. Will be in Town Tue Afternoon. It was a strange trip leading down to here... I'll tell ya all about it......
Harv
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07-09-07, 09:32
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It was a strange trip leading down to here... I'll tell ya all about it...... 
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Oh come on, share with the rest of us! I love a good Harv story.
Guys - if the first evolution of this class was any indication, you are going to have BIG fun. Hope the weather holds for ya!
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07-09-07, 10:21
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2 of my guys just finished with you shooter521
Dirk diggler and rick with the m1A1 scout.
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07-09-07, 13:05
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Yes... A fellow Board member from over on LightFighter who I shot with last year up here in Pat's Class and I will be road marching down tomorrow. Will be in Town Tue Afternoon. It was a strange trip leading down to here... I'll tell ya all about it......
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Where y'all staying?
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07-09-07, 13:55
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Some folks dropped out, sooo... Emily, Nathan and I are all coming! You gonna be there?
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I'll try to come by and say hello to you three. I can't go a whole year without seeing the Paskeys!
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07-09-07, 14:50
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2 of my guys just finished with you shooter521
Dirk diggler and rick with the m1A1 scout.
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Rick straight-up rocked that M1A. Watching him throwing that gun around like an AR and doing hammers and NSRs at close range was inspiring, to say the least!
What was "Dirk's" real name? Not sure if I talked with him much or not.
Getting the opportunity to be a team leader for the LAPD drills at the end of TD3 was the big payoff for me - even moreso than the free gear I got for being high overall shooter.
"Stuff you'd never get to do in your day job, 101." Great friggin class!
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07-09-07, 15:39
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Getting the opportunity to be a team leader for the LAPD drills at the end of TD3 was the big payoff for me - even moreso than the free gear I got for being high overall shooter.
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What were the "LAPD drills"?
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07-09-07, 15:52
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I'll try to come by and say hello to you three. I can't go a whole year without seeing the Paskeys! 
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Roger.
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07-09-07, 22:21
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Shooter pm inbound.
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07-10-07, 08:36
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What were the "LAPD drills"?
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Standby for my review, which will be posted in Pat's AAR thread above. Should have pics and video by week's end.
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07-10-07, 08:37
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Standby for my review, which will be posted in Pat's AAR thread above. Should have pics and video by week's end.
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Paul:
Sorry for the hijack!
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07-10-07, 09:37
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Paul:
Sorry for the hijack! 
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Not a problem!
We are heading out the door for Boone County now.
Did you know it may not even make 80F tomorrow?
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