Victory SA80 Magazines

doug1193 · #1 12-24-10, 14:49

I received an email from Botach (yes, I know) about Victory SA80 mags for sale at $6.95 each. They are Korean made to HK specs (allegedly).
Does anybody have any experience with these mags? Good price, but most times you get what you pay for. I'm hoping for the exception to the rule.

Thanks

JChops · #2 12-24-10, 16:13

They are heavy (almost twice what a PMAG weighs). They are copies of a known problematic mag design (the HK mags suck, as many of us found out the hard way). To top all that off, they are $7. Think about that.

(This next part is not directed at you in any way, Doug.)

I don't see why people are having such a hard time coughing up the $12-15/mag for 2010 PMAGs or good ol USGI mags with Magpul followers. Both are considered pretty trouble free and relatively inexpensive. It's really cheap insurance.

To me it is ridiculous to drop several thousand dollars on an AR and then save $5-7 on a mag and wonder why you have problems.

Take the mags out of the equation and buy quality.

Muddyboots · #3 12-24-10, 16:19

I'm running MOD steel mags (with Magpul followers) because I got them at (just!) the right time and I live behind the lines. They work because I take care of them. I would not use them if I could use P-mags.

A-freakin-men! Why do people DO that! $2K rifle and $10 used magazines!

Muddyboots

Skang · #4 12-24-10, 16:51

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Originally Posted by Muddyboots

A-freakin-men! Why do people DO that! $2K rifle and $10 used magazines!

magazine i don't mind.

$2k rifle and $300 optic.

Beat Trash · #5 12-25-10, 13:19

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Originally Posted by doug1193

I received an email from Botach (yes, I know) about Victory SA80 mags for sale at $6.95 each. They are Korean made to HK specs (allegedly).
Does anybody have any experience with these mags? Good price, but most times you get what you pay for. I'm hoping for the exception to the rule.

Thanks

Think real hard about what you posted. I agree with the line that is now in bold print.

I received an email from Palmetto State Armory. They have black 30 rd PMAGs on sale for $10.99. I say this not because I have any connection to this company. I have purchased from Palmetto State Armory before and am satisfied with their service. I can't say the same about Botach.

PMAGs are made in the USA. I recently had some issues with some 2008 non Rev F PMAGs. One call to MagPul is all it took. Problem solved. They will stand behind their product. So much so that they have made a customer for life out of me. Try to call South Korea if you have problems with their magazines. Good luck with that.

I'm not all that impressed with the original HK 5.56mm magazines. When you take a $50.00 magazine and make it for $6.95, are you getting what you pay for? My bet is that you would get exactly what you are paying for.

With the money involved in setting up the typical AR, after one buys the gun, optics, BUIS, Rails, ect. ect., why skimp on the one accessory that will directly effect the function of the gun? A bad magazine will make the best rifle choke.

If quality magazines were selling for $50.00 or more, I could see the desire to go cheap. But with retail for PMAG starting at $14.20, and D&H teflon coated aluminum mags w/MagPul followers selling for $10 an under, why risk it?

NongShim · #6 12-25-10, 19:53

First, they're Korean. Why not help prime the economic pump, and buy American made mags. Best bang for your buck? GI mags, from a place like Brownells.

Secondly, I don't know if there is any connection to the Korean Glock mags, but those are not durable. They are suitable for flat range work, but they cannot withstand impacts are hard surfaces. The floor plates break.

Stick with American mags.

doug1193 · #7 12-26-10, 16:52

Thanks for the responses. It appears that none of you have experiences with these mags. I have C-product, Colt, P-mags, Tango Down and other mags and am very happy with all of them. My question was "does anybody have experience with these mags?"
I have purchased products from Palmetto State Armory and they are good to go. I wanted to know information on a product that is not known to me.
Thanks for the info on the Korean Glock mags-good to know.

Hope you all had a good Christmas. Think of our brothers and sisters overseas.

Respectfully

RogerinTPA · #8 12-26-10, 17:36

Hopefully, no one on this board will have any experience with those mags, because most folks stick with proven products here. All of the sage advice has been given. If you are dead set on getting these mags, then I award you no points and may God have mercy on your sole.

doug1193 · #9 12-26-10, 21:46

Not necessarly looking to purchase, just looking for information-kind of like researching, you know, facts. Anybody can speculate based on what they personally think and state their opinion, informed or not.

And I hope that God has mercy on all of our souls.

mack7.62 · #10 12-26-10, 22:52

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Originally Posted by doug1193

Not necessarly looking to purchase, just looking for information-kind of like researching, you know, facts. Anybody can speculate based on what they personally think and state their opinion, informed or not.

And I hope that God has mercy on all of our souls.

You do realize that the UK just ordered 1,000,000 EMAG's from Magpul. The EMAG is a PMAG that is modified to fit better in Euro rifles such as the SCAR, SA80 and others, it has a smooth non ribbed body. So, I don't think I want a copy of failed magizine design and I suspect that soon the real thing will be showing up on the market as they are replaced by EMAG's if you are so inclined to acquire them. But why would you want to?

m.

ARKAR · #11 12-27-10, 09:30

Best I can remember, these mags had a problem of the follower being a little short on the back end and not tripping the bolt catch when the last round was fired. The price on these dropped awhile back and caught my interest so I did a search on the "other" site and found this to be the issue so I then knew why the price had dropped on them - the venders were trying to move them out. I have no idea if this problem with the mags has been corrected. As far as my own experience, I have none with these mags. I decided not to buy any after I researched them.

ARKAR

JSantoro · #12 12-27-10, 13:03

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Originally Posted by doug1193

you know, facts.

You've actually been the recipient of a lot of them, already, and are just not recognizing them as such because of the way they were phrased/wrapped/worded/delivered.

-2x the weight
-prone to rust
-design never lived up to its hype in regard to reliability and durability

That's speaking to the HK brand-name variants, and forgetting either known-good USGI mag vendors or any of the known-good polymer variants available.

Presuming the knockoffs are able to match HK's adherence to their own design, what palpable benefit would you gain except having spent about 1/6 the money on a design of equal incapability to the HK?

The above is a fairly large presumption. To the point that, should it prove true...everybody gather around, because you're gonna want to spread the tale from crag to cliffside about the guy you saw with the monkeys flying out of his anus, and how angry and embarrassed I was.

doug1193 · #13 12-27-10, 19:57

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Originally Posted by JSantoro

You've actually been the recipient of a lot of them, already, and are just not recognizing them as such because of the way they were phrased/wrapped/worded/delivered.

-2x the weight
-prone to rust
-design never lived up to its hype in regard to reliability and durability

That's speaking to the HK brand-name variants, and forgetting either known-good USGI mag vendors or any of the known-good polymer variants available.

Presuming the knockoffs are able to match HK's adherence to their own design, what palpable benefit would you gain except having spent about 1/6 the money on a design of equal incapability to the HK?

The above is a fairly large presumption. To the point that, should it prove true...everybody gather around, because you're gonna want to spread the tale from crag to cliffside about the guy you saw with the monkeys flying out of his anus, and how angry and embarrassed I was.

Outstanding, Sir.

doug1193 · #14 12-27-10, 19:58

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Originally Posted by ARKAR

Best I can remember, these mags had a problem of the follower being a little short on the back end and not tripping the bolt catch when the last round was fired. The price on these dropped awhile back and caught my interest so I did a search on the "other" site and found this to be the issue so I then knew why the price had dropped on them - the venders were trying to move them out. I have no idea if this problem with the mags has been corrected. As far as my own experience, I have none with these mags. I decided not to buy any after I researched them.

ARKAR

Thank you for the info ARKAR

leibermuster · #15 12-27-10, 21:12

I own all 3 mags, Pmag/Emags/HK

HK mags are the best steel mag out there, are there feed lips bending or cracking on concrete when dropped free from the mag housing=no...

There are a lot of internet rumors out there that get exaggerated, the early HK mags were of older lower quality compared to HK mags of today.

That being said i love my EMags too if you are running 416 with lower receiver then Emags/HK mags are essential, but you guys down south are still waiting your MR556 rifles, if you are running other AR than it is not necessary, although they look great in gun pics if wanting a good ascetically pleasing steel black magazine! I have not used a steel mag out there that is better in any way yet, but really Magpuls magazines are the best for price, reliability, ruggedness etc

TOrrock · #16 12-27-10, 21:41

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Originally Posted by leibermuster

I own all 3 mags, Pmag/Emags/HK

HK mags are the best steel mag out there, are there feed lips bending or cracking on concrete when dropped free from the mag housing=no...

There are a lot of internet rumors out there that get exaggerated, the early HK mags were of older lower quality compared to HK mags of today.

That being said i love my EMags too if you are running 416 with lower receiver then Emags/HK mags are essential, but you guys down south are still waiting your MR556 rifles, if you are running other AR than it is not necessary, although they look great in gun pics if wanting a good ascetically pleasing steel black magazine! I have not used a steel mag out there that is better in any way yet, but really Magpuls magazines are the best for price, reliability, ruggedness etc

I'm assuming Canada....

Have you run the HK mags with more than 5 rounds in them at a time and for long periods?

leibermuster · #17 12-27-10, 21:54

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Originally Posted by Templar

I'm assuming Canada....

Have you run the HK mags with more than 5 rounds in them at a time and for long periods?

Used them over seas & yes, some Leo I'm friends with have been using them extensively, i never could justify the hysteria about them!

GermanSynergy · #18 12-27-10, 22:03

Having owned many iterations of steel/polymer/aluminium AR mags, the only mags I buy and use are PMAGs.

No reason to run anything else in an AR, unless you are mandated to or your weapon (HK 416) doesn't accept em.

THCDDM4 · #19 12-28-10, 11:54

A family member of mine had a couple; got them for $3.00 a piece (Coudn't say no to such a low price was his reasoning; got them at tanner from some mall ninja), he ended up smashing them at he range one day out of frustration. The followers tilted pretty bad, they are heavy as all hell, they didn't drop free from his franken-AR (Oly lower I believe, or RRA???), and he had problems getting the bolt catch to hold open with them. HE had more FTE's and FTF's that day then I have ever seen him have (HE has a lot, due to bad equipment choices...). They more usefull as targets than as magazines.

He bought four mags that wouldn't work for $12.00; when he could've gotten (1) Pmag 30, or (2) USGI 30's that WOULD have worked for the same price.

Victory SA80=Epic Fail...

Get Pmags or USGI mags with Pmag followers. Screw Korea, buy American and buy with pride!

leibermuster · #20 12-28-10, 12:16

They don't fit in RRA lowers, my buddy from the US has a RRA 10.5 AR and i gave him a Emags which works fine, but Hk and other mags don't work with their lowers from what i have seen or at least his, I guess they made there tolerances tighter, great rifle though RRA, like them a lot.

When the MR556 becomes available you will see the benefit of those HK steel mags, especially with the feeding pattern and in high round counts!