Ban State Stock Options

ejewels · #1 01-01-11, 19:41

Hello, I'm in CT, a ban state and we need our stocks pinned. I have a Colt MT6400c and was wondering what would be some good options besides the long stock it comes with. Someone mentioned a Sully Stock, but I always liked the Magpul CTR's or the MOE. Is this something I could install myself (i'm a noob)? What parts would I need to order? I looked on magpuls sight and there is a mil-spec version and a commercial one... any help appreciated.

U.S.Cavalryman · #2 01-01-11, 19:45

jewels, I know your pain as a New Yorker. There are a few places that you can order a stock and have it pinned. Grant from G&R does this I am pretty sure. You will just have to decide which hole to have it pinned in

cohiba · #3 01-01-11, 19:50

Same boat here. There are lots of choices. My MT 6400c has a pinned LMT SOPMOD. Just about any stock can be pinned or like you said, Sullys are great stocks themselves.

JOJO's Gunworks in Southington has pinned more stocks in CT than anyone, including all of mine.

ejewels · #4 01-01-11, 19:56

JOJO's is where I do all of my business! The CTR seems like a good choice as I could adjust it first then have them pin it. I just start to wonder the things I could get online to save. If there are things I could to myself, I would like to.

ICANHITHIMMAN · #5 01-01-11, 20:00

guys F that pinned shit sell your lowers and get pre ban ones

cohiba · #6 01-01-11, 20:05

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Originally Posted by ejewels

JOJO's is where I do all of my business! The CTR seems like a good choice as I could adjust it first then have them pin it. I just start to wonder the things I could get online to save. If there are things I could to myself, I would like to.

You could do it yourself but I don't know how much you would save. If they do it and have an oooopsie, they just grab another one off the shelf. If you do it..

Quiet-Matt · #7 01-01-11, 20:05

Why would you pin a CTR? Use a MOE and save $40.

cohiba · #8 01-01-11, 20:12

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Originally Posted by ICANHITHIMMAN

guys F that pinned shit sell your lowers and get pre ban ones

Always an option I suppose. I gave up building pre-bans and dumped over a dozen PWAs over the past two years. I don't need a bayonet lug, prefer brakes over hiders anyway and pin my stocks, something I never adjusted anyway, at the length I need.

I like how factory guns run.

They cost much less than built up pre bans especially since so many people like to uh.....maximize their investment....by placing ridiculous prices on lowers. I have no problem with a free economy but up to 1200 bucks for a complete pre ban lower or up to 900 for a stripped? No more.

ejewels · #9 01-01-11, 20:44

pardon my "noob-ness", but what are the benefits of buying a "pre-ban"? Wouldn't I still need to pin the stock?

ejewels · #10 01-01-11, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Quiet-Matt

Why would you pin a CTR? Use a MOE and save $40.

Oh, I thought both models were adjustable and the CTR was more compact? Also, would I order the mil-spec, or commercial one?

Quiet-Matt · #11 01-01-11, 21:48

For a Colt reciever extension you will need a mil-spec stock. The only difference between the CTR and Moe is that the CTR has QD swivels sockets and a friction lock.

ejewels · #12 01-01-11, 21:55

OK, i'm about to order the MOE in mil-spec. Its cheap and got good reviews, and it seems I can adjust it shorter then pin it compared to they long one it has now. One more question. Do I need to order anything else to install this? I am going to have this installed anyways since it needs to be pinned. I remember the guy at the shop briefly saying i would need some other parts i think?

JStor · #13 01-01-11, 21:57

First, if I recall correctly you'll also need a new receiver extension, that is unless you want to pin the new stock in the full length position. The buffer and spring will be the correct ones in your present configuration, but unless things have changed, the receiver extension tube is rifle length with an internal stop.

I'd buy a short Sully stock and rock on. They come as a kit with the correct receiver extension, recoil spring and buffer. If you ever move to a nonban state, you'd have no trouble selling the Sully and converting to an adjustable stock.

Go with the milspec size carbine receiver extension if you install the Magpul stock.

T-TAC · #14 01-02-11, 07:18

I live in CT. also. I have built pre ban and post ban guns.
Here's the scoop. If you have a pre ban reciever you can have a collasible stock, flash hider, and Bayonet lug.
Most sellers are asking somewhere around $800-$900 for just the reciever.
Post ban recievers go for about $100 and the machine work and specs is generally better.
Now for your stock. Post ban, you can have a CTR or a Moe.
I would go with the Moe as it is cheaper and the extra lock isn't needed as it is going to be pinned.
You will need a new Buffer tube;
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Milsp...0extension.htm
The buffer, spring, lock plate, and castle nut can all be reused from the one you have.
There are two sizes of stocks and buffer tubes. Milspec and commericial. Mil specs alittle thicker and stronger.
If you order a Milspec tube get a Milspec stock. Same goes with the commericial. Other wise you will have a loose fitting stock.
Also another little know fact is the stock doesn't have to be pinned at full extension. I like to move mine in one notch and then pin it.
Fits me better.
Jo JO's can do the work or you may want to do it yourself not hard at all. Just make sure you use the correct length pins because it's a blind pin. Once they are in, there's no going back.

Quiet-Matt · #15 01-02-11, 08:36

Check the laws, but I like the roll pin method better. Cross drill a hole through the stock and rail on the bottom of the RE. Insert pin and drive it in place. Can be removed and stock position can be changed with a little time and tools. Type "pinning ar stock" in youtube and watch the first two videos. One guy pins his CTR stock under the friction lock so it can be concealed.

Caeser25 · #16 01-02-11, 08:45

Here's another place that has great prices on stock kits

http://dsgarms.com/Category/18_0/Buttstocks.aspx

onado2000 · #17 01-02-11, 14:00

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Originally Posted by ICANHITHIMMAN

guys F that pinned shit sell your lowers and get pre ban ones

IMO, I agree with buying preban lowers. I live in CT. & its worth the extra cost for me to buy a preban lower. I figure the cost to modify the buttstock, additional cost for a FSC 556 and the cost to pin & weld it, I would rather invest that money towards a preban. Once you have a preban lower you legally can add any accessory w/out the worry. And no one is making prebans anymore. Just FYI for the CT. residents, there are 400 (I believe) "preban" CT legal Colt rifles out there, lowers are not marked "AR15" or "Sporter". I have handled 2 of them in the last 15 years. I can kick myself for not buying them!

ICANHITHIMMAN · #18 01-02-11, 14:39

I started with a post ban gun but got sick of it. It sucks living in a state where I have to pay extra but oh well f it. I have 2 rifles now built on PWA lowers they are just as good as most lowers out there in my opnion.

I have gone the pinned route as well, and most guys just say f it and forget the law. Im a stickler for the rules.

What ever you choose I'm sure you will be happy for awhile. My sugestion was just an option.

SMETNA · #19 01-02-11, 22:58

I don't bother with ruining a perfectly good collapsable stock.

I just put an A2 length ACE ARFX Skeleton stock on my AR's and call it a day. Can't say enough good things about this stock.

If the nanny-state socialists in Albany want to ban something that I enjoy, then I guess I'll use my vote to ban something they enjoy. Butt-sex, for example.

ICANHITHIMMAN · #20 01-02-11, 23:09

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Originally Posted by SMETNA

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If the nanny-state socialists in Albany want to ban something that I enjoy, then I guess I'll use my vote to ban something they enjoy. Butt-sex, for example.

Now thats funny man butt most likley only to us in NY