Palmetto SA Complete Uppers

Dunderway · #1 04-12-11, 00:03

Obviously some corners have most likely been cut to get to this price point, but for $400 complete what do you expect.

http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/2065.php

This could be a good thing for folks that really can not afford a $900-$1,000 build.

Iraqgunz · #2 04-12-11, 01:18

If you can't afford a carbine for 900.00-1000.00 then you need to get a good handgun or shotgun. You will still need mags and ammo. Most people can afford the 900.00-1000.00 price range.

They choose not to because they suffer from Dominos Pizza syndrome and want it in 30 minutes or less.

ZRH · #3 04-12-11, 01:35

That's same price I paid for my BCM uppers complete. Jumping to conclusions -.- They obviously don't "make" them so, they could be good, who knows. I'd be more confident with some destructive testing of course. Steel and aluminum composition, magnaflux the barrel, brinell test on all the components. >.> Of course that goes for all rifles. Until someone does it, it's all speculation -.-

Eurodriver · #4 04-12-11, 02:51

Nevermind, I have seen this too many times to even bother.

Iraqgunz · #5 04-12-11, 03:17

Eurodriver,

You know what M4C is about. Now, I am not going to say that they aren't good uppers. But, set aside your emotions and think about this for a minute.

Does it not make you wonder how they can offer an upper that is allegedly on par with DD, BCM and Colt for a significant discount?

They may well be good. Who knows some guys may buy them and they may be real winners. But, what if it isn't?

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Originally Posted by Eurodriver

Nevermind, I have seen this too many times to even bother.

(Read my editted post)

Rider79 · #6 04-12-11, 05:15

I have one of their BCGs coming this week, I'll post a review of it when I get it and after I beat the crap out of it in one of my SBR uppers. I might grab one of these for a full auto lower at the shop and see how it holds up.

Eurodriver · #7 04-12-11, 13:39

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Originally Posted by Iraqgunz

Eurodriver,

You know what M4C is about. Now, I am not going to say that they aren't good uppers. But, set aside your emotions and think about this for a minute.

Does it not make you wonder how they can offer an upper that is allegedly on par with DD, BCM and Colt for a significant discount?

They may well be good. Who knows some guys may buy them and they may be real winners. But, what if it isn't?

You're absolutely right, and that's why I editted my post.

Sometimes I have to remind myself that this isn't TOS and what M4C is about. Alot of people take it as brand snobbery when in fact its about having a quality gun. Period. I get it, however I do understand sometimes that the weekend plinker comes here wandering around the internet looking for an AR "just to have". Usually, There is a difference between Uncle John looking for an AR and Sheriff Mike needing a patrol rifle. Maybe Uncle John is on a fixed income and wants an A2 clone to reminisce his "1980s Army days". He already has a shotgun at his bedside and a handgun for CCW. This isn't going to be a SHTF, home defense, or battle rifle. He just wants to put a couple boxes of .223 reloads down the pipe a few times a year. I'm sure with your experience, you know a Bushmaster would suit them just fine for that purpose.

Regardless of my feelings though I need to remind myself what the M4C mission statement is, if you will. And that's why I editted my post. You make a very good point. If they are on par with BCM, why are they running at least $150 cheaper than them? And if we allow the "acceptance" of PSA, DPMS, etc just for weekend shooters how long until we have members recommending Olympic Arms with BSA red dots to LEOs? Because "I've owned it for 4 years and shot over 600 rounds with no issues"....

I guess as fellow gun owners I see them as being one team one fight, and I would much rather see "Uncle John" buy a DPMS than not buy any AR at all because he's turned off by the price of DD, Noveske, etc....Regardless, that's for another place, lest we turn into the AR Discussion cesspool that is ARFCOM.

ZRH · #8 04-12-11, 16:44

Um it costs the EXACT same as a BCM. Math skills FTW. The $100 more expensive uppers are the cold hammer forged ones.

v-j · #9 04-12-11, 17:03

Same price less HG's, BCG, and CH.

jackblack73 · #10 04-12-11, 17:03

double post

jackblack73 · #11 04-12-11, 17:04

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Originally Posted by ZRH

Um it costs the EXACT same as a BCM. Math skills FTW. The $100 more expensive uppers are the cold hammer forged ones.

The Palmetto uppers come with the BCG and CH. Unless you got a better deal than everyone else, you didn't get a BCM upper and BCG and CH for $400.

djegators · #12 04-12-11, 17:19

IG, I agree with your statement entirely. As far as I have seen, they have not made claims of Colt quality, only that they are made by a "mil spec manufacturer." Will be interesting to see how they hold up in the field.

polymorpheous · #13 04-12-11, 17:24

I'd like to know where the bolts and barrels come from.

They mention the bolts are 158 steel, peened, and HPT/MPT.
They do not claim the barrels are tested in this way.

Air gauged... isn't that a Wilson thing?
Do companies like Colt, DD, and BCM do this?

JDW67 · #14 04-12-11, 17:39

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Originally Posted by jackblack73

The Palmetto uppers come with the BCG and CH. Unless you got a better deal than everyone else, you didn't get a BCM upper and BCG and CH for $400.

Agreed.

Holy smokes, that's an unheard of price. I don't think I've ever seen any upper for that low of a price.

6933 · #15 04-12-11, 17:41

^And that should be a clue.

tylerw02 · #16 04-12-11, 17:56

Could be they are selling them low to get their name out? I do not know, as I haven't seen one.

Air-gauging is usually what barrel makers do to determine uniformity of bore. I don't see that being any kind of selling point for a carbine. For a match-grade target rifle, varmint rifle, or long-range hunting rig it would make sense.

I have a healthy dose of skepticism until proven otherwise.

Eurodriver · #17 04-12-11, 18:49

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Originally Posted by ZRH

Um it costs the EXACT same as a BCM. Math skills FTW. The $100 more expensive uppers are the cold hammer forged ones.

I'm curious to see if you'll be returning to this thread.

polymorpheous · #18 04-12-11, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Eurodriver

I'm curious to see if you'll be returning to this thread.

Unnecessary and doesn't contribute at all to the thread.

COJAM · #19 04-12-11, 23:11

Well I purchased one of these last night and it will be at my door friday. I will do a complete review and answer any questions anyone has. I called them about info on everything from their barrel to the bolt and they said they didn't give out that info like a lot of dealers. That's cool with me for now. It's intended purpose will be a beater rifle. I have 3 completed lowers that have been sitting around and I said after I THOROUGHLY fire enough rounds through it. It will be my 10 yr/old son's first rifle. I know what it is, and I know what it isn't. I own a LMT upper and BCM Middy upper. Grant sold ADS complete guns years ago and I still have it and so do a lot of other M4carbiners here. They were $800 plus. Great value rifles. Cheap doesn't always mean %^&*. Give it a chance before its even been put through it's paces. BTW I had a previous BCM Middy upper that was sent back for an out of spec upper. Go figure. If its garbage, You guys will be the first to know.

Dunderway · #20 04-12-11, 23:25

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Originally Posted by COJAM

Well I purchased one of these last night and it will be at my door friday. I will do a complete review and answer any questions anyone has. I called them about info on everything from their barrel to the bolt and they said they didn't give out that info like a lot of dealers. That's cool with me for now. It's intended purpose will be a beater rifle. I have 3 completed lowers that have been sitting around and I said after I THOROUGHLY fire enough rounds through it. It will be my 10 yr/old son's first rifle. I know what it is, and I know what it isn't. I own a LMT upper and BCM Middy upper. Grant sold ADS complete guns years ago and I still have it and so do a lot of other M4carbiners here. They were $800 plus. Great value rifles. Cheap doesn't always mean %^&*. Give it a chance before its even been put through it's paces. BTW I had a previous BCM Middy upper that was sent back for an out of spec upper. Go figure. If its garbage, You guys will be the first to know.

Great point about the ADS guns, I totally forgot about them.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7297