I need help with NFA law.

[Mr. Goodtimes]

I work in a gun shop and while discussing SBR's with other employees I was told that I was completely wrong about needing to engrave the lower on an SBR, even if it's not a factory SBR. Obviously this is incorrect but I need solid proof other than m4carbine.net. Can anyone point me to some official documentation on the ATF's website regarding the engraving of a receiver for an SBR?

Thanks in advance,

Goodtimes

[Fire_Medic]

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/0...rements-f.html

[Renegade]

TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS

CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 479_MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS--Table of Contents

Subpart G_Registration and Identification of Firearms

Sec. 479.102 How must firearms be identified?

(a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows:
(1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and
(2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof ertain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes:
(i) The model, if such designation has been made;
(ii) The caliber or gauge;
(iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
(iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and
(v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.

[cj5_dude]

You're partially right/wrong. The engraving must be on the frame, reciever, or barrel.....so the lower doesn't need to be engraved as long as the barrel is.

[Ilove2shoot]

most people engrave the lowers on AR15/ar10 rifle because the uppers are so easy to change out. and since you can have more then one upper for the lower (as long as you do not have any other lowers just by themselfs (CYA thing)) people did not want to engrave multiple barrels for there AR....and with as much as people change things up, it has always just been simpler to engrave the lower receiver.

[Quiet-Matt]

Mr. Goodtimes,
Thank you for bieng one of the few employees of a gun shop that is willing to do some solid research on a topic you are unsure of. Most, as we are aware of, just go off hearsay as the truth and further propagate falsehoods and lies.

I contacted two local class 3 dealers / SOT when I needed a lower engraved when I was making my form 1 SBR. Both were adamant about it bieng illegal to engrave it prior to my reciept of the stamp. They both also said that in addition to my name, city and state; they would also have to add one more line "SBR" in the engraving. I went elsewhere.

So thanks for taking the time to do the research.

[Todd.K]

Originally Posted by Renegade

(a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm

The key here is that you are the maker of an NFA firearm if you use a Form 1 (Application to Make and Register a Firearm).

If you buy a factory SBR it is already marked by the manufacturer, same as any firearm.

[Mr. Goodtimes]

Thanks a lot or the replies guys. I was able to make my case and point. What concerns me is how many people out there are unaware of this. The shop I work for is a Class III dealer and the few employees that did know of the law said it was optional or out of date

What are the consequences/ penalties for not engraving your SBR lower?

Originally Posted by Quiet-Matt

Mr. Goodtimes,
Thank you for bieng one of the few employees of a gun shop that is willing to do some solid research on a topic you are unsure of. Most, as we are aware of, just go off hearsay as the truth and further propagate falsehoods and lies.

I contacted two local class 3 dealers / SOT when I needed a lower engraved when I was making my form 1 SBR. Both were adamant about it bieng illegal to engrave it prior to my reciept of the stamp. They both also said that in addition to my name, city and state; they would also have to add one more line "SBR" in the engraving. I went elsewhere.

So thanks for taking the time to do the research.

Unfortunately Matt this seems to be the norm with gun shops. Just because people work around guns doesn't mean they know anything about them. Most couldn't tell you the difference between a DPMS and a KAC or a Taurus and an HK other than that one "is a waste of money." and "that ther DPMS is just as good"

I love my job as it gets me through college, pays well, and it's fun working around guns but there are a lot of times where I have to bite my lip, there is A LOT of misinformation that is given out. I steer the people right who I get the opportunity to help; at least the ones that I can. There are a lot of people that come in who just can't be helped, though.

[eodinert]

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