45 degree, and 45/90 compatible receivers

[Duffy]

We'll keep updating this as more manufacturers make ready their 45 degree, and 45/90 compatible receivers.

The difference between a strictly 45 degree selector compatible receiver, and a 45/90 compatible receiver is the FIRE/pictogram position. A 45 degree only receiver's FIRE/pictogram engraving is close to 60 degrees, which allows the 45 degree's position indicator to point at it when the selector is set on FIRE. A 45/90 compatible receiver's FIRE/pictogram engraving is situated at 68 degrees, thereby allowing both the 45 and 90 degree selector to both point to its general direction when the selector is switched to FIRE.

45 degree compatible receiver:

Accurate Armory, 45 degree only receiver (45/90 compatible receiver may be coming)




45/90 compatible receiver:

AR15.com billet receiver



AXTS, A-DAC-F (forged) and AX556 (fully ambidextrous, billet) and AX762 (coming soon) receiver

A-DAC-F


AX556


AX762


Photos courtesy of AR15.com, Military Moron, and Rainier Arms

[CoryCop25]

Duffy, Mark from Precision Arms is very interested in converting his lowers to 45 degree capable. We spoke about it extensively this weekend. You may want to get in touch with him.

[Duffy]

Is he an FFL? I will call him today, thanks Cory

[CoryCop25]

Originally Posted by Duffy

Is he an FFL? I will call him today, thanks Cory

Yes, class 7 mfg.

[Policetacteam]

Keep us posted Duffy! Is Spikes still considering mfg a 45 specific lower? I also know there were a few others who were also considering it.

[Duffy]

Spikes, definitely, they're just busy all the time. It was supposed to have come out last year but there were delays that needed attention first

[FiReBRETHa]

what about the new noveske lower?

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=75137

[Duffy]

Noveske isn't interested in producing a 45/90 degree compatible receiver, and we have no plans to make a drop-in 45 degree selector, so for it to work, either the receiver or the selector needs to be modified, I wouldn't recommend either.

Though if the stainless pin block is removed, it would become a drop in part, I'm not sure if the 45 degree's new fire position lines up with the lower's FIRE engraving

[FiReBRETHa]

Originally Posted by Duffy

Noveske isn't interested in producing a 45/90 degree compatible receiver, and we have no plans to make a drop-in 45 degree selector, so for it to work, either the receiver or the selector needs to be modified, I wouldn't recommend either.

Though if the stainless pin block is removed, it would become a drop in part, I'm not sure if the 45 degree's new fire position lines up with the lower's FIRE engraving

hokay... so 5 minutes ago I ordered that lower, might as well make the most of it. Where are you guys located? perhaps we can meet up and test it out.

-Rick

[Duffy]

We're in Henderson, NV

Here's couple of vids of the 45 degree selector in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRkmt3Hhu0Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyVVTTxl0MQ

Note the shooter's grip on the pistol grip does not shift, and the speed of the selector manipulation

[Duffy]

Rainier Arms now has a 45/90 compatible receivers as well

Rainier Arms receiver

[Duffy]

War Sport now joined the list of 45/90 compatible receivers

War Sport site

[TRIDENT82]

You know you make one world beating piece of kit when within a year of making it you have numerous companies making quite a radical alteration to a specific region on the AR that hasn't seen any alternations since perhaps 1957.

Companies can either profit from the ST concept, or not, it's their choice......what companies however don't have a choice over is stopping the inevitable fact that even the slowest among us will soon discover the undeniable benefits of a 45 degree throw over a 90 degree one.

Good for small companies like War Sport for finding the light before most in it's class.

[Duffy]

Thanks Trident, we're all about giving users options, the 45/90 compatible receiver can use either the 45 or 90 degree selector. Some manufacturers opt to produce receivers marked only for the 45 degree, while a 90 degree selector can still be used on such a receiver, the selector's position indicator will not line up with the FIRE or pictogram engraving as well as a 45/90 compatible receiver, where the engraving is located at 68 degrees.

We're of the opinion that 45 to 50 degree is the optimum throw. As discussed earlier, the 45 degree selector is more sensitive to out of spec receivers and triggers, and we have published information on these triggers. With receivers and triggers that mostly stick to spec, nobody has been able to rotate the 45 degree selector to SAFE and still manage to fire a round by putting any amount of pressure on the trigger. If that were truly the case, no manufacturers would go through the trouble of making their receivers work with our selectors.

As a company, we're very upfront about design changes and compatibility issues, I think some of the info we posted and shared may have been used in ways we did not foresee, but it will not stop us from being honest and transparent with our customers.

[TRIDENT82]

It's my pleasure to always speak the truth in regards to BAD Inc.

I've said it a number of times before, but your honesty as a company has no equal by a large margin. It's not just your honest, it's that your honest about a ton of stuff you freely air out to the consumer....and sadly by default to the snakes in the grass.

In terms of selectors....the competition didn't even realize it was over until they were laying on their ass wondering why they didn't think of that first

[Duffy]

We're fortunate to have friends like you that support us, I hope we will always earn your trust

Competition is a good thing, we've always known that there would be other contenders in the market, as we had ourselves been in 2010. We're humbled by that ours are considered by some as the best in their class, we do take pride in knowing that we had a part in promoting the importance and ergonomics of the safety selector, which until then had been largely neglected. If the short throw selector movement catches on, it will show that we were on the right track all along, and in this we can also take comfort in that we largely started this trend.

So in the end, competition is good for the end users, it gives them more choices and compels innovation and improvement, we're all for it

[ra2bach]

any updates to this list???

[Duffy]

Yep, I just saw a picture of one today, but I'm not sure if they want me to spill the beans yet

GPI Custom is the other one, I don't have pictures yet that show the left side "lawyer pin" notch though.