Guy that wanted to buy LWRC, convinced to go DI. Still need help.

[bottabingbotta]

I opened a thread last week asking about LWRC. With some information from you guys and this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmRQV...eature=related , I decided to go with a DI setup. Originially when I became interested in AR's, the recommendations, which I was getting from the local shops, were in favor of gas piston systems; thus, the interest in the LWRC. After getting a lot of helpful information from the thread, I am deciding to go with a Colt or maybe even better would be to build one. I have heard that Spike's Tactical makes good lower receivers, Daniel Defense makes good rails. Noveske makes good barrels. Magpul makes quality stocks. I was interested in a longer barrel, probably 16 or 18". I guess basically what I'm asking is if you were building the ultimate DI AR-15, what components would you use, manufacturer and model?

[straitR]

Personally, I wouldn't build, there's no speakable savings anymore, and there is every configuration imaginable available from the most desired builders. I would take my mission statement along with what qualities I'm looking for and match that to one of many offerings from the following manufacturers.


Colt
Noveske
BCM
DD
KAC
LMT

P.S. There is tons of info on what you are asking. Spend a little time researching this site and you will find more than you can digest.

Good luck

[Zzzake]

I think most people here are going to recommend you start off with a basic configuration from one of the following companies : DD, Noveske, Colt, BCM, LMT. Buy alot of ammo and spend money on quality optic and training, then buy/modify to fit your needs the best.

However, if you were looking into LWRC so can I assume you have a budget close to 2k (excluding optic, ammo, training, etc)? And you want something 'special?'

If so, I would recommend looking into the LMT MRP. Takes 2 mins to swap from DI to Piston and back. That way you have all the options open, whether to get the Piston conversion kit or not, its completely up to you. You can also buy barrels in various length and swap them around. I think its one of the most versatile uppers, of course, if you dont mind the price tag. Also look into KAC SR-15, which also to be in the same price. If you do a search on these two, you will find many praises.

I am not as experienced as many others here, but those two I mentioned are really just 'mind = blown' for me.

[TRIDENT82]

Originally Posted by Zzzake

However, if you were looking into LWRC so can I assume you have a budget close to 2k (excluding optic, ammo, training, etc)? And you want something 'special?'

If so, I would recommend looking into the LMT MRP. Takes 2 mins to swap from DI to Piston and back. That way you have all the options open, whether to get the Piston conversion kit or not, its completely up to you. You can also buy barrels in various length and swap them around. I think its one of the most versatile uppers, of course, if you dont mind the price tag. Also look into KAC SR-15, which also to be in the same price. If you do a search on these two, you will find many praises.

I am not as experienced as many others here, but those two I mentioned are really just 'mind = blown' for me.

Amen brother...if your on a budget, a BCM, Colt, DD, LMT std., etc. are all great options.

If your not on a budget, I'd highly recommend looking into the two that Zzzake mentioned above.

If your going for the full Win, throw a MRP upper on a SR15 IWS lower

[lethal dose]

do you want to buy or build?
-let's start with a lower... pretty much anything goes, here (as far as stripped lowers go). stay away from rock river and oly arms. i really like daniel defense lowers.
-be sure to use a quality lpk (g&r, colt, daniel defense, etc.).
-noveske makes the best fighting barrels, IMHO. thus, a complete 16" light reece variety would be perfect for an upper. the only thing i, personally, would omit from this upper is the bcg... only because i have no experience with noveske BCGs.
-for complete bolt carrier groups, i like colt, bcm, and lmt. they are all top notch.
-as for stocks, that is a personal preference. i like m4, magpul ctr, and vltor imod stocks.
-grips are the same as stocks... personal preference. i like the magpul moe.
-for a light, i like a surefire g2 in a gear sector mount on a larue tactical 9" rail, a surefire x300 for a 12:00 rail mount in front of a fixed front sight on a trx extreme rail, or a surefire g2 in a gear sector mount on an mi fsb rail section.
-note that rails and ff handguards are not necessary. once again, personal preference.
-the only sling i run is a vcas. sewn in qd for rails/ff handguards and qd rear and open front with a bfg uwl for the front if i'm running a standard plastic handguard.
-for optics, i prefer the 1x variety. aimpoint t/h-1 and the trijicon reflex (be careful... lots of people don't like them... i do) are my preferred optics.
-two pieces of gear i use on EVERY build is a noveske or dd qd receiver endplate... preferably the noveske, as it is steel and easier to stake. the other is a magpul enhanced trigger guard.

what it boils down to is... start basic. grab a good complete lower and throw a noveske upper on it, then slap a good bcg in it. lastly, buy what you NEED for the rifle. optics aren't necessary. a white light (learn how to use it), sling, mags, ammo, and classes ARE.

[lethal dose]

to buy complete... i'd go colt 6920, noveske reece basic, bcm, lmt, or dd.

[MikeCLeonard]

There really isn't any great knowledge you'll gain by asking people what they would put into their ultimate AR build. There are just too many options, opinions, needs, and uses among different shooters.

I will echo what was already said...and recommend starting off with something basic from a good manufacturer. (Colt, BCM, Noveske, Daniel Defense, Knight's Armament, LMT) This is my first recommendation because if you're anything like most of us...you're likes/dislikes, needs/wants will likely change and evolve as you start working with the AR platform more and more. Start off by buying everything you think would make the PERFECT rifle for your first AR...and you'll eventually find out that your perfect AR15 now, will very likely not be what you think of as perfect, a few years into your experience shooting them.

That being said, I'm not at all against building an AR out of specific quality parts over buying a factory gun. It's true...there are a TON of options out there now...but NONE that I feel are perfect for my needs/wants...However...if a quality manufacturer offers a complete rifle that meets all your needs...then that's a fantastic way to proceed, and there are certainly benefits to having a factory assembled rifle.

But...in the spirit of your thread's primary question...here is what I deem to be a pretty much perfect carbine for my needs...after 10 years of playing with, buying, and selling AR15's in many many makes, models, and configurations...I've come full circle back to the MRP platform...it's always been my super fave! I will preface the following by stating that there are a few products here that I don't have experience with (AXTS Lower, MS3 Sling, Vltor A5). On paper...they seem to fit my bill...but time on range will be required for them to remain as part of the kit.

Parts - Upper:
- Receiver = CQB length MRP
- Barrel = 14.5" cut back to 11.5" while retaining original gas-port diameter - Fluted
- BCG = LMT enhanced carrier with Colt bolt
- BUIS = Troy Battle-sights
- Charging Handle = BCM Gunfighter.
- Optic = Aimpoint T1 on Larue QD mount
- Light = Surefire Mini-Scout in Gear Sector Offset mount at 11:00
- Muzzle Device = AAC Blackout flash hider w/M4-2000

Parts - Lower:
- Receiver = AXTS AX556 w/ BAD ASS Ambi-Safety
- Buffer System = Vltor A5
- FCG = Geissele SSF
- Stock = Magpul CTR
- Grip = Magpul Miad
- Sling = Magpul MS3 w/ IKH rear slap-plate

[Kfgk14]

Troy alpha rail, Noveske 16" barrel, Vltor upper, AXTS-556 ambi lower receiver, Vltor A5 stock, AAC Blackout, Geissele trigger, KAC 600M rear BUIS, Aimpoint T1 in LaRue mount.

[TRIDENT82]

Fantastic post Mike, especially in regards to not really gaining much by asking what everyone's dream AR build is.

Stop teasing me with that world beating MRP/AXTS build above, I'm so ready for the porn it's not even funny

[Zzzake]

Originally Posted by TRIDENT82

Fantastic post Mike, especially in regards to not really gaining much by asking what everyone's dream AR build is.

Stop teasing me with that world beating MRP/AXTS build above, I'm so ready for the porn it's not even funny

Lol Tri, your radar for MRP and KAC are STRONG !!!! Replys in matter of secs whenever those words show up in a thread

[MikeCLeonard]

LOL, Trident for reals is on MRP threads like stank on shit!...I love it. And I admit to very often scanning for his threads as we share a love for MRPs...and he always has the best pics and range updates from his rifles.

Thanks for the enthusiasm Trident..and for your input on my build questions! I've tried to quit blabbing about my builds until I actually get them going and have something to show! I'm getting a little bit of a "friend" hookup on the uppers...but have to wait for his FFL to transfer to a new address before I can kick off the builds by ordering the two uppers...and I'm chomping at the bit for this!!! The only parts I have so far are the Magpul Miads, CTR stocks, LMT carriers, and charging handles...meager...but a start. I guess I should probably get on the ball with the lowers though...cause I'll still need to get one of them SBR'd.

Anyhow...I'll be sure to send you a heads-up when I start getting some goodies to show!

Okay...sorry...no more thread sidetrack.

[TRIDENT82]

...I'm continually scanning all sectors for anything MRP related

Mike's upcoming build/s have me tremendously excited on a number of levels. The AXTS fully ambi lower with a highly customized MRP top will always perk my interests to say the least.

I must admit, I caught myself cheating..as well as drooling the keyboard a bit after the heat that Zzzake just posted in the AR pic thread. I've got to get some work done by Marvin. He is a godsend, and a straight artist when it comes to high end AR building.

This thread reminds me of why I love ARs so much, however for the OPs purposes, it also reminds me that one usually has to start off at the base level and only through time behind the trigger come to find what they will ultimately truly want in a high end "dream" AR. I still own a couple of Colt 6520s...one of which was my first ever AR.

P.S...Thanks for the kind words Mike.

[ucrt]

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I heard this the other day from a guy at Cabelas (no less!).

"You can build a gun cheaper than a $1000 Colt 6920 and you can build a better gun than a Colt 6920 but right now, you can't build a better gun cheaper than a $1000 Colt 6920..."

Thought that was a pretty good fit for the OP.

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[markm]

Originally Posted by bottabingbotta

I opened a thread last week asking about LWRC. With some information from you guys and this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmRQV...eature=related , I decided to go with a DI setup. Originially when I became interested in AR's, the recommendations, which I was getting from the local shops, were in favor of gas piston systems; thus, the interest in the LWRC.

Man... we walked into a gun store in Tucson... (normally I avoid gun stores like the plague... but I was with someone who was going in)

The goofball behind the counter saw us snickering at the LWRC on the wall... and he told us... "That's a GOOOOOOD gun..."

You don't need to look hard to see why a guy's most valuable contribution to society is gun counter work.

[TMS951]

If you wanted a LWRCi you wanted some thing that was "better, different, and special". You were willing to pay a premium for it.

With that in mind I would a KAC SR15. It actually is better, different and special.

I would also consider a LMT MRP, I think they are awesome but I think they are heavy, and I like the E3 system on the KAC.