Larue PredatOBR

[recon8541]

You can always get several, they sell super easy because of normal wait times.....got an OBR and a PredatOBR coming, only plan to keep one of them. I would like to get a 5.56 in the 14.5, but $$ starts to add up quick on these.....

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by recon8541

You can always get several, they sell super easy because of normal wait times.....got an OBR and a PredatOBR coming, only plan to keep one of them. I would like to get a 5.56 in the 14.5, but $$ starts to add up quick on these.....

That is fine if you are an FFL. If not if you plan on buying guns for resale its straw purchasing and illegal.
Pat

[EricSF]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

That is fine if you are an FFL. If not if you plan on buying guns for resale its straw purchasing and illegal.
Pat

Uh, no. A straw purchase is a purchase where the purchaser knowingly acquires an item for someone who, for whatever reason, is unable to purchase the item themselves. Buying 2 OBRs and selling one is no problem as long as the buyer is qualified (e.g., not a felon). Sorry, couldn't let that FUD slide.

[bp7178]

Straw purchasing is buying a gun for another person knowing they cannot lawfully do so.

Buying guns for the purpose of selling them at a profit can be construed as being a dealer in firearms. IIRC, there's a rather heated topic about an FBI agent getting arrested for this.

[recon8541]

Yeah, and also if you sell back through an ffl (which I do) you are good. That is a bit of a stretch, especially since I said you can buy a few, and keep the one you end up liking better. Far cry from a straw sale. Let's just let this topic slide off this thread though.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by EricSF

Uh, no. A straw purchase is a purchase where the purchaser knowingly acquires an item for someone who, for whatever reason, is unable to purchase the item themselves. Buying 2 OBRs and selling one is no problem as long as the buyer is qualified (e.g., not a felon). Sorry, couldn't let that FUD slide.

Sorry but your wrong. I can't let it slide because someone may read this thread and ignorantly break the law. If you want to buy and sell guns for profit get an FFL. Simple as that.

Explanation below.

In the context of United States federal gun laws, a straw purchase is defined as any purchase from a dealer holding a Federal Firearms License where the buyer conducting the transaction is acting as a proxy for another person. The law does not distinguish between someone who is purchasing on behalf of a person who legally cannot purchase or possess a firearm, and one who is not.
Beginning in 1975, ATF officials apparently reached a judgment that a dealer who sells to a legitimate purchaser may nonetheless be subject to prosecution or license revocation if he knows that that individual intends to transfer the firearm to a nonresident or other unqualified purchaser. This position was never published in the Federal Register and is indeed contrary to indications which Bureau officials had given Congress, that such sales were not in violation of existing law. Rather than informing dealers of this distinction, ATF agents set out to produce mass arrests upon these "straw purchase" sale charges, sending out undercover agents to entice dealers into transfers of this type.[citation needed]

In the United States, straw purchases are a felony violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 for both the straw purchaser (who can also be charged with lying on Federal Form 4473) and the ultimate possessor. One of the questions on Form 4473 is “I am the buyer of this firearm” and the purchaser must answer honestly yes or no, by checking the appropriate box in ink. However, purchase of a firearm as a bona fide gift for someone who can legally own such a firearm is permitted.[1]

Many gun shops have jointly participated in programs (such as: “Don’t Lie For The Other Guy”) to deter such purchases.[2]

[40Arpent]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Sorry but your wrong. I can't let it slide because someone may read this thread and ignorantly break the law. If you want to buy and sell guns for profit get an FFL. Simple as that.

Explanation below.

In the context of United States federal gun laws, a straw purchase is defined as any purchase from a dealer holding a Federal Firearms License where the buyer conducting the transaction is acting as a proxy for another person. The law does not distinguish between someone who is purchasing on behalf of a person who legally cannot purchase or possess a firearm, and one who is not.
Beginning in 1975, ATF officials apparently reached a judgment that a dealer who sells to a legitimate purchaser may nonetheless be subject to prosecution or license revocation if he knows that that individual intends to transfer the firearm to a nonresident or other unqualified purchaser. This position was never published in the Federal Register and is indeed contrary to indications which Bureau officials had given Congress, that such sales were not in violation of existing law. Rather than informing dealers of this distinction, ATF agents set out to produce mass arrests upon these "straw purchase" sale charges, sending out undercover agents to entice dealers into transfers of this type.[citation needed]

In the United States, straw purchases are a felony violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 for both the straw purchaser (who can also be charged with lying on Federal Form 4473) and the ultimate possessor. One of the questions on Form 4473 is “I am the buyer of this firearm” and the purchaser must answer honestly yes or no, by checking the appropriate box in ink. However, purchase of a firearm as a bona fide gift for someone who can legally own such a firearm is permitted.[1]

Many gun shops have jointly participated in programs (such as: “Don’t Lie For The Other Guy”) to deter such purchases.[2]

I still don't see where that makes purchasing two guns to T&E and selling the losing gun a straw purchase. I am more than willing to be enlightened, though.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by 40Arpent

I still don't see where that makes purchasing two guns to T&E and selling the losing gun a straw purchase. I am more than willing to be enlightened, though.

That is a different situation. If your purchasing 2 guns for yourself and decide to sell one later, no harm no foul. But if you are buying 2 guns with the intent to sell one at a profit to fund the other purchase that is a straw purchase. Your not buying the gun for yourself but rather for the intent of selling to a third party.
Pat

[Littlelebowski]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

That is a different situation. If your purchasing 2 guns for yourself and decide to sell one later, no harm no foul. But if you are buying 2 guns with the intent to sell one at a profit to fund the other purchase that is a straw purchase. Your not buying the gun for yourself but rather for the intent of selling to a third party.
Pat

How does one differentiate between a guy buying two guns with the intent of selling the one he likes the least and a guy buying guns and running a business off of resale? Do you charge him based on volume or simply the act of daring to resell a gun he just bought?

[dewman]

congrats recon on your purchase. i have a 16" 7.62 on order...but don't expect it till august at the earliest

[lj_1187]

I'm looking at ordering a 14.5 762 soon, just not sure if it will be too loud if I run it suppressed with a sf 762k compared to the 16in.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by Littlelebowski

How does one differentiate between a guy buying two guns with the intent of selling the one he likes the least and a guy buying guns and running a business off of resale? Do you charge him based on volume or simply the act of daring to resell a gun he just bought?

I don't know. I don't like the law I just don't want to accidently violate it and have some eager BATFE agent knocking on my door. My intent was not to slam anyone, just to keep someone from inadvertenly violating the law and posting an admission in a public forum of a plan to do so.
Pat

[recon8541]

Originally Posted by dewman

congrats recon on your purchase. i have a 16" 7.62 on order...but don't expect it till august at the earliest

Yeah, not too sure how long it will take. They said the Par time is 16 weeks, but can be done sooner or later than that. I am no hurry, I will pretty much be out of the country until the summer anyway. If everything goes right, my USO will be done at the same time the rifle is, and my form 4 for my AAC (SDN-6) will come in as well.....shaping up to be xmas in the summer!

[40Arpent]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

That is a different situation. If your purchasing 2 guns for yourself and decide to sell one later, no harm no foul.

I didn't think the member you were directing your comments to was proposing anything different, but I may have missed it. Regardless, I understand your points and thank you for clarifying.

[captacademy]

I have a DD M4V7 that I like just fine, but when I saw and handled the PredatOBR at the Shotshow this year, I knew I wanted one. I jumped on the pre-order list. Now the wait!

[shootist~]

Originally Posted by captacademy

I have a DD M4V7 that I like just fine, but when I saw and handled the PredatOBR at the Shotshow this year, I knew I wanted one. I jumped on the pre-order list. Now the wait!

Cool. I Hope you are in my neck of the wilderness. I would love to see it in action after it comes in.

[captacademy]

I am in Albq, and shoot at Zia often. How about you?

[shootist~]

I sent you a PM captacademy. Let me know when you get it and can make it to ZIA.

[captacademy]

Will do sir!

[CarbonCycles]

Anyone know if the Costa version has started to ship or become available to purchase?

Man, I really need to stop living under a rock on these things :-\