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Interesting legislation moving forward in Wyoming. (http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/wyoming-house-advances-doomsday-bill/article_af6e1b2b-0ca4-553f-85e9-92c0f58c00bd.html)
State representatives on Friday advanced legislation to launch a study into what Wyoming should do in the event of a complete economic or political collapse in the United States.
House Bill 85 passed on first reading by a voice vote. It would create a state-run government continuity task force, which would study and prepare Wyoming for potential catastrophes, from disruptions in food and energy supplies to a complete meltdown of the federal government.
The task force would look at the feasibility of Wyoming issuing its own alternative currency, if needed. And House members approved an amendment Friday by state Rep. Kermit Brown, R-Laramie, to have the task force also examine conditions under which Wyoming would need to implement its own military draft, raise a standing army, and acquire strike aircraft and an aircraft carrier.
Feel free to discuss.
polymorpheous
02-26-12, 09:00
Not sure why a landlocked state would need an aircraft carrier.
Not sure why a landlocked state would need an aircraft carrier.
I thought the same thing. Maybe for when the big one hits? :)
dmaxfireman
02-26-12, 09:07
Not sure why a landlocked state would need an aircraft carrier.
I don't understand that either...
How effective could a state government be if there was actually a scenario like this. Reminds me of the old TV series Jeracho.
Beat Trash
02-26-12, 09:08
Or where you'd park it. I wonder how much the docking fee would be to park that thing?
How much of the tax payers money is being spent to conduct this study if the bill is passed?
Maybe the aircraft carrier part was a joke to see if anybody at the capitol was awake. They still passed it unanimously.
In all seriousness though, making a plan at the state level is OK. Now to start lobbying for that contract to mint the WY currency. They'll need a bunch printed up head up time just in case ya know.
QuietShootr
02-26-12, 09:22
This would be easy, and you could do it relatively inexpensively.
The state supplies a weapon and complete TA-50/PPE to every eligible adult, or you could take a tax deduction for purchasing your own, if it were of a standard type. Establish commo SOPs and SOIs for the state.
Everyone fit to serve must qualify with that weapon on a standard course biannually. You have to pay for it, except in cases of documented hardship, but the fee would be tax deductible.
Organize community-based units of all eligible citizens. Mandatory muster and inspection twice a year (could be combined with qualification), and random individual readiness inspections that the individual could opt-out of (but the reward for participating and passing an individual readiness inspection would be a tax credit.).
Design a new currency, purchase the equipment necessary to print/mint it, and keep it in readiness. Ensure it's backed with gold. Acquire a state gold reserve to back the currency should it be necessary.
There. You're 99% ahead of everywhere else in the country, and for minimal expenditure.
At first glance it appears to be quite similar to the Fed's Continuity of Government Commission. Outside of the aircraft carrier it would appear that Wyoming will be a state that takes contingency plans seriously, I like that.
Now which part of this will the Federal Govt. feel like they can step on? I'm all for it because it's obvious that it will be needed at some point with the direction of the Fed. All States should be working on similar plans and I would gladly be a part of it here. We would surely let Wyoming park their Aircraft Carrier down here in Texas; we have plenty of coastline available.
If they are preparing for a collapse of the federal government, seems strange if their contingency plan is basically a mini version of the same: centralization and mandate.
Draft: Am I the only one appalled by that notion? Make a soldier's pay higher than the average job and you'll have plenty of volunteers. No need for limited-slavery-for-a-good cause, which is antithetical to a free state. Just because previous generations of Americans were okay with it doesn't mean we should in the future.
Currency: This need not be established by the state at all. The private sector is more than capable of providing superior currency once the government stops interfering with legal tender laws. If the people want to use gold and silver coins, gold-backed certificates from banks, bitcoin, paypal, whatever, they'll make it work and it will be efficient and free. To be prepared for a transition to such, Wyoming would still want a store of gold or anything of tangible value that could be converted to the prevailing currency. I agree it might be prudent to have coin minting equipment ready to go (government or private) as use on day 1 until the market decides what it wants to use.
Sooo....is Wyoming looking at westward expansion, post-apocalypse? They planning on taking a coastal area and having need of a carrier?
alienb1212
02-26-12, 18:21
Not sure why a landlocked state would need an aircraft carrier.
Lulwut
Not sure why a landlocked state would need an aircraft carrier.
For Yellowstone Lake
DUH!!:sarcastic:
ETA: The Draft is unconstitutional. Always was, always will be. If this nation is ever under a serious attack, the .gov would have no shortage of volunteers. It's only when they pull some false flag bullshit like the gulf of tonkin that men don't enlist and they have to be conscripted.
Only thing I can think of about an aircraft carrier is that a nuclear carrier is a self contained city that can power itself for 40 years without additional fuel.
kermit4161
02-27-12, 13:43
From what I've seen in other reports the aircraft carrier, draft and strike aircraft was a tongue-in-cheek amendment attached by Rep Kermit Brown of Laramie... I think he was poking fun at the bill.
I'm all for the planning though. At least my state has its collective head out of the sand and recognizes the potential of a collapse.
Where will Wyoming put an aircraft carrier? Anywhere they like.
They are a friendly, but strange and independent bunch.
bsmith_shoot
02-27-12, 16:53
IDK, but in the event of a total meltdown, I woild love to have a carrier off the coast of Washington St. to fly myself, and a few thousand, key individuals to. What, 2 and a half hour flight by chopper, tops. Not a bad contingency plan if you ask me.
Brandon
Only thing I can think of about an aircraft carrier is that a nuclear carrier is a self contained city that can power itself for 40 years without additional fuel.
Yes and no. The crew will need food, supplies, and the aircraft would need JP-5. Not exactly self contained.
Perhaps if they covered the flight deck in top soil and planted crops . . . .
NitroDave08
02-27-12, 18:53
Doomsday bill moves forward, minus the aircraft carrier
"Before passing House Bill 85 by a voice vote on second reading, lawmakers struck out language directing the task force to study Wyoming instituting its own military draft, raising a standing army, and acquiring strike aircraft and an aircraft carrier"
http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/doomsday-bill-moves-forward-minus-the-aircraft-carrier/article_00916968-6171-11e1-a45b-0019bb2963f4.html
Dirk Williams
02-27-12, 19:44
The bill was intro'ed first without the carrier bit. The state rep representing Laremie Wy?. was making fun of the bill adding the carrier.
Voice vote today passed and vote with the carrier part removed.
It was explained that Laremie and Jackson Hole are very very left thus with liberal views.
Anyway one more vote from the floor, a voice vote will make 3 and then it moves to the process.
Frankly this is impressive legislation with some very forward looking state reps grasping the issues and making plans to do the right thing for their folks they represent.
Dirk
The bill was intro'ed first without the carrier bit. The state rep representing Laremie Wy?. was making fun of the bill adding the carrier.
Voice vote today passed and vote with the carrier part removed.
It was explained that Laremie and Jackson Hole are very very left thus with liberal views.
Hmm....I can't find anything that says the amendment was a joke. Looks like it was written by a republican too.
"And House members approved an amendment Friday by state Rep. Kermit Brown, R-Laramie, to have the task force also examine conditions under which Wyoming would need to implement its own military draft, raise a standing army, and acquire strike aircraft and an aircraft carrier."
Makes one stop and think hard, when states start thinking the FED could go down. I think a state or two nearby would team up with Wyoming. Could become the end of the US as we know it.
ETA: The Draft is unconstitutional. Always was, always will be. If this nation is ever under a serious attack, the .gov would have no shortage of volunteers. It's only when they pull some false flag bullshit like the gulf of tonkin that men don't enlist and they have to be conscripted.
Fun fact: A higher percentage of men voluntarily enlisted during the Vietnam War than WWII.
This came from a solid foundation, continuity of governance, but like most things legislators do, it appears to have gone full retard.
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lifebreath
02-27-12, 23:13
Maybe the carrier is for a riverboat casino.
Fun fact: A higher percentage of men voluntarily enlisted during the Vietnam War than WWII.
They started offering benefits like free education, and promoting military service as a career. This could've impacted enlistment numbers.
Dirk Williams
02-28-12, 00:13
LMT 42, The bills main sponsor was on Beck today. He stated that the origional bill did not have the A/C carrier language in it. He was reluctant to mention who added that language in session.
Near the end of the interview he stated to GB and the viewers that the Dem from Whatever Dist that Laremie Wy is in added the AC carrier language, poking fun at the origional bill and it's authors.
Kirmit and I believe 10 other co sponsores presented the bill for the good of the citizens of Wy. Kirmits full time job is CEO of a minerals/NG company from Canada.
Dirk
Dirk Williams
02-28-12, 00:17
ND, Thanks for the clarification. I did not understand the draft part I only caught the AC carrier being removed. Must have been in the shitter making a president.
Dirk
Moose-Knuckle
02-28-12, 17:58
This would be easy, and you could do it relatively inexpensively.
The state supplies a weapon and complete TA-50/PPE to every eligible adult, or you could take a tax deduction for purchasing your own, if it were of a standard type. Establish commo SOPs and SOIs for the state.
Everyone fit to serve must qualify with that weapon on a standard course biannually. You have to pay for it, except in cases of documented hardship, but the fee would be tax deductible.
Organize community-based units of all eligible citizens. Mandatory muster and inspection twice a year (could be combined with qualification), and random individual readiness inspections that the individual could opt-out of (but the reward for participating and passing an individual readiness inspection would be a tax credit.).
Design a new currency, purchase the equipment necessary to print/mint it, and keep it in readiness. Ensure it's backed with gold. Acquire a state gold reserve to back the currency should it be necessary.
There. You're 99% ahead of everywhere else in the country, and for minimal expenditure.
I'm on board with this model.
My state use to be an independent Republic, it might come to that again. States would be wise to implement such plans.
This whole thing begs a poignant question: If the federal gov continues on this path of destruction and constitutional usurpation to the point that someday soon there's a socioeconomic crisis, would any of you support your states secession?
If I lived in a state that would realistically consider it, I'd support it.
ETA: This would be during a prolonged collapse only.
Something else that was said on GB in that conversation is something I didn't know. Sheriff's have the ultimate say so and they are the Law in their County. The Sheriff can actually arrest any Fed Law Enforcement that tries to impliment any confiscation. The Fed can not overstep the Sheriff, so when it comes to a "gun grab" make sure you live in County with a pro-2nd Am Sheriff.
... I need to move I think.
Something else that was said on GB in that conversation is something I didn't know. Sheriff's have the ultimate say so and they are the Law in their County. The Sheriff can actually arrest any Fed Law Enforcement that tries to impliment any confiscation. The Fed can not overstep the Sheriff, so when it comes to a "gun grab" make sure you live in County with a pro-2nd Am Sheriff.
... I need to move I think.
There is actually a movement of sorts concerning Sheriff's standing up for their constituents against the federal government. Here's a couple of articles on the subject.
Local Sheriffs Protecting People's Gun Rights from Feds (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/local-sheriffs-protecting-peoples-gun-rights-feds)
U.S. Sheriffs Rise Up Against Federal Government: Sheriff Threatens Feds With SWAT Team (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/11/14/u-s-sheriffs-rise-up-against-federal-government-sheriff-threatens-feds-with-swat-team/)
There is actually a movement of sorts concerning Sheriff's standing up for their constituents against the federal government. Here's a couple of articles on the subject.
Local Sheriffs Protecting People's Gun Rights from Feds (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/local-sheriffs-protecting-peoples-gun-rights-feds)
U.S. Sheriffs Rise Up Against Federal Government: Sheriff Threatens Feds With SWAT Team (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/11/14/u-s-sheriffs-rise-up-against-federal-government-sheriff-threatens-feds-with-swat-team/)
Sheriff Richard Mack. Look him up
pruitt0212
02-28-12, 22:55
I love Wyoming. Hoping to move there after I am done with school. Love Arizona too, but there is gettin to be too many damn people here. In Phoenix at least.
kermit4161
02-28-12, 22:56
Glad to hear they pulled out the carrier nonsense. I read the original bill (posted on GB's site) and it was very straight forward, only 5 pages, and initiated the study of what to plan for in the instances described. I think this is one of the best pieces of legislature that my state has come up with... and the concealed carry bill last year... in a long time. They seem to have their crap together these past few years.
Sheriff Richard Mack. Look him up
This is from his Wiki page and I'm assuming it's pretty accurate. He is my kind of Sheriff!
Richard Ivan Mack (born 1952) is a Republican candidate for election to the United States House of Representatives from Texas's 21st Congressional district, the former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, and the Libertarian candidate for United States Senate election in Arizona, 2006. He is also a member of the Oath Keepers.
Mack has authored books relating to gun ownership and the role that law enforcement should, in his opinion, play in America. He currently speaks at seminars "on constitutional issues relating to gun control, law enforcement, States' rights, the farce, otherwise known as the drug war, and the oath of office."
Mack received national attention in Mack v. United States (later restyled to Printz v. United States) in his tenure as a local sheriff for opposition to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act on the basis that it is unconstitutional due to congressional action to compel state officers to execute Federal law.[citation needed]
In 2009, Mack appeared in interviews on a cable public access show and a one-person website where he discussed his membership in Oath Keepers and the importance of the police and military in upholding their oaths to the U.S. Constitution.
Just heard the WY bill was narrowly defeated.
Aircraft carrier???? Wyoming must have a big lake!!!
Just heard the WY bill was narrowly defeated.
Too bad. Try again next year. Looks like there are some turncoats in the more conservative party:
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