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I work for a small midwest town of about 14,000 people. I attended a budget meeting Monday night and the Captain of our pd presented his departments captital requests for the fiscal year. I was pleased to hear him ask for six patrol carbines as I had been pushing them to try and buy them. The Captain is a great guy, the RO for the pd and also their armorer. When I asked if he was looking at Colt 6920's or such, he showed me a picture and ad for Sigs. I know nothing about Sigs so I thought I would see what the informed people here thought. I think the price was just over $1,300 each and I don't have any details yet on accessories he might be looking at. So what do you guys think, Sig, Colt or something else? Thanks for any input.
Alan
Evil Colt 6920
03-14-12, 14:19
Some good info can be found here (https://www.m4carbine.net/search.php).
Failure2Stop
03-14-12, 14:23
What Sig model?
Well, really, it doesn't matter.
I would recommend Colt 6920s or 6921s any day over pretty much anything else in the price range for duty use.
Well, really, it doesn't matter.
I would recommend Colt 6920s or 6921s any day over pretty much anything else in the price range for duty use.
This^^ He could get the Colt 6920s for around $1,000 each (maybe cheaper with LEO discount), and still have $300+ to put into accessories. The colt is by far the better gun IMO.
I doubt you'll find any fans for the Sig on here. They've mainly become a marketing firm with little to show in the product area. The gun rags are pretty much shills these days for any marketing company that will shell out advertising dollars, so anything in their publications is suspect.
The Colt 6920 is the cheaper and MUCH better way to go.
Colt colt colt, no contest. Sigs aren't TOTAL crap, but they certainly aren't as high quality as colts, and they cost more. Forget em.
Easy choice of the day. Colt
lethal dose
03-14-12, 15:13
Colt. Hands down. If the Sig he was looking at was in an ad, it was probably garbage. If you think a 3rd party would have positive influence, send him to this site or PM me and I'll write up a formal letter clearly weighing the pros and cons of each.
Colt dude, Colt.
As far as SIG goes, if their rifles are going to take the same road as their line of pistols then we can expect to see the Dark Hello Kitty M4 and Gay Pride M4 models rolling out soon.
Nowadays... when I think of SIG, I think of this...
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=83494
I don't know too much about the sig, but you can save $300 and buy known quality carbines. I would imagine that sort of value and savings would go well in today's budget conscious state of affairs.
Was he talking about the M400? When you dig into the specs for each, Colt wins. In fact, I have no idea what SIG does for testing on the most critical parts, the bolt and barrel, as there are no markings on either one for HP/MP and nothing mentioned for such in their posted specs. I sure wouldn't be picking a duty rifle from a marketing flyer. :stop:
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/m400.aspx
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/M400_detail-hero.jpg
If he is willing to spend $1300 on a Sig (not including the accessories), then see if you can get him to buy off on the $1000 Colts with Aimpoint T-1's and X300's (with appropriate mounts for each of course).
Beat Trash
03-14-12, 16:26
Colt.
I'm only familiar with individual officer pricing. Agency pricing is. Slightly better. For the $1,300 he's budgeted, you could do a lot. You should be able to pay for a 6920 and and an Aimpoint PRO with that price point.
I would pass on the Sig, for a variety of reasons.
An assortment of high quality carbines are available to FET-exempt agencies for under $1000.00. There were several in the $800-900 range as well. There is no need to even consider good-as guns.
Sig has had a lot of trouble getting their carbine a LE footprint, even in Sig agencies. If you guys truly wanted their model(s), you don't have to pay anywhere near published prices.
just got rid of a sig
will not buy another sig
since you are LEO, I would definitely stay away from sig.
TacticalSledgehammer
03-14-12, 18:37
I've always thought their pistols were considered good quality, did something change in their QC?
I can't comment on their pistols
but I can tell you the rifle was junk, way overhyped, and has some serious flaws...I wish a couple years ago I had been to this sight before wasting my time and money on one.
Microalign
03-14-12, 18:51
Sig or Colt.......no brainer, Colt of course!
Sig or DPMS.......that's a tough one. ;)
There really is no contest here. Colt. Most upper echelons LE don't really know shit about guns. Let's be honest. Most LE, in general, thinks quals make them them the end all, be all experts. Couldn't be further from the truth. I've attended many classes where LE has been out shot by .mil(expected by me) and tuned in citizens. As everyone knows that has been a member here for a while, I am pro-LE.
Colt. Period. Unless we are going to include DD, LaRue, KAC, FN, and HK.
I just paid $995 for a brand new Colt 6920. Since you are LE, it would not surprise me if you could get them cheaper. That’s quite a savings over the $1,300 Sig, which has not has very good reviews, but I’m sure Sig will work out the bugs if they haven’t already. The 6920 would leave the department an extra $300 or more savings per gun, and the 6920 has an outstanding reputation. Look at it this way, if your dept buys ten 6920's, you would save enough for an eleventh gun, or a lot of accessories for the ones you purchased.
another-bill
03-14-12, 20:35
Yes, yes , yes, Colt.
BIll
I'm thankful my agency only buys Colt M4A1 carbines, unfortunately there are none at my duty station. :sarcastic:
Tell him to burn the Sig advertisement and buy quality; buy the Colts.
Sigaretts Vs. Colts
I say go Colt.
It's just kinda a no-brainer on this one.
I've lurked at this forum for many months, but have been unable to post due to a chronic failure to receive a confirmation e-mail after registering. Finally used an old yahoo account and got that e-mail. So, this is my first post at this forum.
I know many of you already have your mind made up on the Sig versus Colt issue. So I'll not attempt to sway you one way or the other. However, I will post some information based on my owner ship and use of both the Sig M400 and the Colt LE6920MP-R.
You are all very familiar with the Colt. So, I'll concentrate on the Sig.
Sig top, Colt bottom
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/SigSauerM400andColtLE6920MP-R.jpg
Sig has the F marked front sight
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/002.jpg
Sig has a hammer forged CMV barrel that meets the mil-spec material requirement (I'll expand on this in a moment).
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/003.jpg
M4 marked flat top upper
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/004.jpg
Forged upper/lower with ambidexterous mag release.
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/006-1.jpg
Mil-spec diameter 6-position receiver extension.
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/008-3.jpg
M4 feed ramps, chrome chamber and bore, extractor support in receiver extension.
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/014-1.jpg
Device in lower that pushes on upper
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/016-1.jpg
Carbine buffer, verus H in Colt
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/017.jpg
With respect to the BCG
Sig top, Colt bottom (AR enhanced versus m16)
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/005-3.jpg
Sig left, Colt right (chromed same places)
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/007-2.jpg
Sig left, Colt right (both properly staked)
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/003-2.jpg
Colt left, Sig right
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/008-2.jpg
Colt left, Sig right
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l590/RowlandParks/My%20Guns/012-2.jpg
Of course, my curiosity peaked by "The Chart" on this website, I contacted Sig to inquire as to how "mil-spec" this rifle was. I was informed that the barrel is hammer forged CMV, pressure tested, but could not get an answer on MP testing. I was advised the BC and bolt are indentical steel as the Colt, sourced from a USGI maker that pressure tests and MP tests their bolts. Neither the barrel nor the bolt are MP marked. The Colt obviously has the edge, here.
I know how most of you feel about fit and finish. As long as it works, it can be marked, scarred and booger green directly from the factory. But I happen to like a rifle that is well fitted with a good finish. If it's going to get screwed up, I want to do it. In this case, the Sig was far and away superior to the Colt. I know it doesn't matter to most of you. I does to me. The Colt appeared to be put together by some ham-handed assemblyman using a meat mallet. It had nicks and scars right out of the box. the Sig was cosmetially perfect. Advantage: Sig.
Function: virtually identical. I've used the Sig for awhile now. It functions perfectly. In fact, I've had some short strokes on the Colt, none on the Sig.
That's my objective observation based on ownership and use of both rifles. I am aware of the Sig-hatred among some of you. Just wanted to give you some rational information on the gun. My Sig was $900.
another-bill
03-14-12, 21:55
Sig or Colt.......no brainer, Colt of course!
Sig or DPMS.......that's a tough one. ;)
Yikes!
The truth hurts!
Bill
Buckshot Barry
03-14-12, 22:13
The SIG's front sling swivel isn't on the side. That's a big deal to me if your going to leave the OEM hand guards on.
I've lurked at this forum for many months, but have been unable to post due to a chronic failure to receive a confirmation e-mail after registering. Finally used an old yahoo account and got that e-mail. So, this is my first post at this forum...
For several reasons you yourself admit, there's no contest. The Colt has the right parts and the right TDP. The Sig looks pretty. Which one should an LE agency care about the most? :(
Buy the colt. Take the $300 per 6 guns you save and buy 2 more. You can get 8 colts for the price of 6 sigs.
I was looking at the Sigs and the Colt's. Found lots people saying good things about the Colt's. Found lots of people saying bad things about the Sigs. Plus like everyone else said, Sig is more and you don't get anything extra.
But I ended up buying a DD so..
Jake Bauer
03-14-12, 22:57
I've lurked at this forum for many months, but have been unable to post due to a chronic failure to receive a confirmation e-mail after registering. Finally used an old yahoo account and got that e-mail. So, this is my first post at this forum.
I know many of you already have your mind made up on the Sig versus Colt issue. So I'll not attempt to sway you one way or the other. However, I will post some information based on my owner ship and use of both the Sig M400 and the Colt LE6920MP-R.
You are all very familiar with the Colt. So, I'll concentrate on the Sig.
Hey man thanks for your reply/pics. If I had my choice between the 2, I'd probably buy the Colt, but I dont think that the Sigs are junk like most folks around here. You could do far far worse.
TankerrobM1A1
03-15-12, 02:43
I would only feel comfortable with American made Colt
Failure2Stop
03-15-12, 08:10
I would only feel comfortable with American made Colt
Diemaco/Colt Canada makes exceptionally good M4 platform weapons.
There are a lot of M4s in service with a Diemaco forge mark.
GRWolverineFan
03-15-12, 08:27
Diemaco/Colt Canada makes exceptionally good M4 platform weapons.
There are a lot of M4s in service with a Diemaco forge mark.
Diemaco uses cold hammer forged barrels as well if I am not mistaken. While that isn't a game changer, it is a small improvement over the US M4s.
I certainly prefer the barrel profile on the Sig. I also think Hammer Forging is a worth while addition.
That said unfortunately its still a Sig. I just wish Colt would give up on the stupid M203 notch and use a profile that makes sense.
RogerinTPA
03-15-12, 10:56
Colt, all day, every day over the Sigs.
I'm thinking for the price of the Sig, you could get a Colt AND an Aimpoint PRO.
pruitt0212
03-15-12, 21:17
I am generally a pretty big fan of Sigs, but I would definitely recommend the Colt over it. As for Sig rifles, the 556 is pretty much all I like, not a fan of their "AR's". I would urge him to also look at BCM or Daniel Defense, personally I would take either of those over a Colt.
Sorry guys, been to busy to get back here. Guess I better get busy working the Colt angle! I just couldn't understand the Sig, it was a surprise. Of course this is the same guy that bought DPMS carbine stocks for the M16's. I will probably be in the Chiefs office tomorrow seeing what I can do. Just for the record, I'm not leo, just another department head for the same city. Thanks for all the responses.
Alan
Rowland, great first post. That's the kind of stuff I like to see, and I'm sure others.
Man, the koolaid runs thick here. Not saying anything about any company but unlike most posters here I've actually held both colts and Sigs.
Man, the koolaid runs thick here. Not saying anything about any company but unlike most posters here I've actually held both colts and Sigs.
Care to explain what that means?
I certainly prefer the barrel profile on the Sig. I also think Hammer Forging is a worth while addition.
That said unfortunately its still a Sig. I just wish Colt would give up on the stupid M203 notch and use a profile that makes sense.
Colt did with the 6720. While the 6920 is certainly a great carbine, at the moment I'd recommend the 6720 first to any agency which was purchasing rifles. The 6920 would be a very, very close second.
Jake Bauer
03-16-12, 00:14
I'm thinking for the price of the Sig, you could get a Colt AND an Aimpoint PRO.
Unlikely. Its very easy to find M400s for under $999.
If it matters, for the amount of money the OP is talking about, his boss is most likely looking at the Sig 516 or 556. Too much money for an M400.
Man, the koolaid runs thick here. Not saying anything about any company but unlike most posters here I've actually held both colts and Sigs.
Colt M4s have been through countless encounters in the crappiest parts of the world and done a pretty damn good job of working. What's not to like about that? If that makes me a fanboy; guilty.
I see a lot of people say the the Sig 556 and or 516 is a great rifle. OK, sure, but tell me what major military unit or major LE Agency uses the 556 or 516? And if there are any, what testing was done on the rifles? For instance, you've seen the test the FBI did on the Springfield Professional. If the guns survived that, I know they work well. That's the type of test I'm thinking of. I really am interested in knowing. Because what I see is individuals who love their Sig rifle. Nothing wrong with that, but I prefer government "let's make it fail" testing.
Microalign
03-16-12, 07:05
Man, the koolaid runs thick here. Not saying anything about any company but unlike most posters here I've actually held both colts and Sigs.
Holding a couple of rifles is about as useful as farting when you need to poop.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i90/TedG954/ColtLogo1copy-1.jpg
Failure2Stop
03-16-12, 08:36
Man, the koolaid runs thick here. Not saying anything about any company but unlike most posters here I've actually held both colts and Sigs.
Wow, you've HELD them both?
Let us bow before your awesome experience and knowledge.
I've dealt heavily with Sigs for several years, have seen their decline in quality control, and witnessed their transformation from builders of tough reliable firearms to purveyors of multicolored abominations that consistently fail to work.
I have also dealt with Colt rifles and carbines for the past 15 years and their ilk, and they are second to none in quality control and consistently delivered acceptability.
With the Colt you get a product that has been tested in the harshest climates in the world, and has succeeded. With the Sig you get a QD swivel in the lower receiver.
But hey, I'm just a koolaid drinker, right?
I once ate a piece of breaded catfish. Ergo, I'm an expert catfish noodler.
This example of false logic has been brought to you by the the letter "omega" and the number pi.
Noodles, a significant portion of your posting history displays a penchant for needless belligerence and the information validation standards of somebody with an extra chromosome...
...for example, using an HK416 as a basis from which to argue buffer/spring configurations differences in a DI gun....? Seriously, here's the sound that goes with that line of thought:
http://www.hark.com/clips/bdhxnqttjj-the-price-is-right-losing-horns
I don't care WHAT you say, or about what brands, but you're gonna start 1) checking your tone and 2) start basing your assertions upon valid IA practices, R-F-N, or the decision to do so will be completely removed from your hands.
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/1948/treeofwoe.png
You can not argue with facts.....
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i90/TedG954/compare-1.jpg
GET A COLT
Failure2Stop
03-16-12, 09:16
So my point is that if you have no experience with the platform, you must hate SIG or must be high on koolaid to slam it so readily. I mean you don't even know what ****ing SIG they are considering!
That's faulty logic.
I have never used an Airsoft gun in self defense, and I don't need to to have a valid argument in recommending against. I have never used an 870 as a 1000 meter sniper platform, but I know its a bad idea. I have never carried a substandard AR into combat, but I know I don't want to. Just because I haven't used a particular model doesn't mean that my experience with the base platform is irrelevant. I don't need to have held a Sig to recommend a 6920/6921.
Colts are a known quantity. There is no company that puts out a superior duty carbine at the current cost.
Sigs (with the exception of their rifle models in military service) are not known quantities. I have seen their specs and am aware of their history, and I see absolutely no reason to recommend them to anyone.
I had a discussion this morning with the Captain, asked him why he was looking at Sig's? He said since I had asked about Colt the other night he had started giving thought to that and was already leaning in that direction. I just want to be sure everybody understands, I didn't start this thread bashing Sig's as I know nothing about them. I just wanted some real life experiences to validate the Colt choice. And I think I have gotten that. I just want to make sure the department gets a rugged, riliable weapon for a good price and I felt between the two that was Colt. Once again, thanks for all the responses.
Alan
txf15crewchief
03-16-12, 12:05
Well I guess it sounds like you need a Colt 6920/6720 and a Aimpoint PRO. As has been stated multiple times previously in this thread and throughout this website, the Colt is the standard that all others are judged by. Needless to say I am very glad I followed the advice here a year ago and purchased a LE6920. I have not been disappointed.
Colt big time. If you can get decent LE pricing on the rifles ($900), add an Aimpoint PRO ($400), Streamlight TLR1 ($150), Mossie Midnight Mount ($65), 3 pack of troy polymer mags ($45) and a VCAS sling ($50) and they are set to go for about $1600 per rifle.
Ok, maybe that how I would do it. But either way, go with Colt. Save money and get a better product!!
abn45bravo
03-16-12, 13:03
I would say get the Colt and team that up with a some sort of Surefire light and call it good.
Pistol Shooter
03-16-12, 16:03
Another vote here for the Colt 6920.
Ron Cohen ruined Kimber products, moved to Sig a few years ago and ruined their line as well.
I know how most of you feel about fit and finish. As long as it works, it can be marked, scarred and booger green directly from the factory. But I happen to like a rifle that is well fitted with a good finish. If it's going to get screwed up, I want to do it. In this case, the Sig was far and away superior to the Colt. I know it doesn't matter to most of you. I does to me. The Colt appeared to be put together by some ham-handed assemblyman using a meat mallet. It had nicks and scars right out of the box. the Sig was cosmetially perfect. Advantage: Sig.
I love this. Do you know WHY the Colt has dings in it???? See pic below.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Colt/Mil-Spec_Bin.jpg
Colt has a standard they have to follow, they take random guns, break them down and switch the parts to make sure everything is in spec and can used in another gun. This is one of the Reqs under Mil-Spec.
Does SIG do this??? No, probably not. Why? Because they don't have to build their guns to a standard. When you don't have to build your guns to a set standards, you can deviate. This deviation typically means that they always find ways to save money (reducing the quality).
C4
Beat Trash
03-16-12, 17:32
I had a discussion this morning with the Captain, asked him why he was looking at Sig's? He said since I had asked about Colt the other night he had started giving thought to that and was already leaning in that direction. I just want to be sure everybody understands, I didn't start this thread bashing Sig's as I know nothing about them. I just wanted some real life experiences to validate the Colt choice. And I think I have gotten that. I just want to make sure the department gets a rugged, riliable weapon for a good price and I felt between the two that was Colt. Once again, thanks for all the responses.
Alan
I think your intent when starting this topic was understood. I hope your Captain will continue to be open minded about the concept. It sounds as if he is.
Good luck and stay safe.
Unlikely. Its very easy to find M400s for under $999.
My statement was based on the OP declaring a $1300+ price.
I love this...
C4
It is what it is. I'm not attempting sway anyone's opinion. I just wanted to lay out some photos and experiences of someone who owns and uses both rifles. I'll leave it to you good fellows to draw your own conclusions.
I love this. Do you know WHY the Colt has dings in it???? See pic below.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Colt/Mil-Spec_Bin.jpg
Colt has a standard they have to follow, they take random guns, break them down and switch the parts to make sure everything is in spec and can used in another gun. This is one of the Reqs under Mil-Spec.
Does SIG do this??? No, probably not. Why? Because they don't have to build their guns to a standard. When you don't have to build your guns to a set standards, you can deviate. This deviation typically means that they always find ways to save money (reducing the quality).
C4
Grant
That is excellent information. Thank you for sharing that with us.
OP
Have they considered the 11.5" 6933? That would be on my short list.
No, I don't think an sbr has been considered. But I like the idea a lot! I will be suggesting it, but it would surprise me if they would go for it.
Alan
They're so much easier in and out of the car and in buildings.
It is what it is. I'm not attempting sway anyone's opinion. I just wanted to lay out some photos and experiences of someone who owns and uses both rifles. I'll leave it to you good fellows to draw your own conclusions.
I understand. You made some negative comments about Colt without knowing why they are the way they are. I posted the pic to help educate what Mil-Spec really means and why the SIG doesn't compare to the Colt (especially when it sells for the same price).
C4
I understand. You made some negative comments about Colt without knowing why they are the way they are. I posted the pic to help educate what Mil-Spec really means and why the SIG doesn't compare to the Colt (especially when it sells for the same price).
C4
I appreciate your photgraph. I was quite aware of the Colt-chew that comes from parts bouncing around in a bin. The major dings on my rifle were located at pin spots such as the trigger guard, slide stop, as well as uniform marks on the delta ring, and buggered railed-handguard screw. These aren't random dings resulting from parts clacking together in a box. It's indicative of ham-handed assembly.
I understand this is a "standard" accepted and expected from Colt by some, but Colt could do better, should do better, and doesn't do as well as Sig in that respect. It's one thing to get dings on parts from a bin, it's another to exacerbate that issue with careless assembly.
As far as the Colt goes, I wanted it, or I wouldn't have bought it. I very much like it, or I wouldn't keep it. I also like the Sig, and have yet to see any objective evidence of a material or qualitative inferiority to the Colt. Other than the MP marked bolt and barrel, there appears to be nothing lacking in the Sig. The Sig was assembled in a manner that left it damage-free, and considering it hasn't short stroked at all, I suppose I could say it has been more reliable than the Colt.
I do understand that some folks, just don't like Sig. I get that. I happen to like the Sigs I own. And I like the Colts I own. This LE6920MP-R isn't my first ride at the Colt rodeo. I own numerous Colts, and have owned numerous others, and have found Colt's quality over the years to be hit-or-miss. But not so much that I have ruled them out from future purchase. (In fact, the only brand that has left me so disillusioned, disappointed that I refuse to buy another is Glock.)
I appreciate your photgraph. I was quite aware of the Colt-chew that comes from parts bouncing around in a bin. The major dings on my rifle were located at pin spots such as the trigger guard, slide stop, as well as uniform marks on the delta ring, and buggered railed-handguard screw. These aren't random dings resulting from parts clacking together in a box. It's indicative of ham-handed assembly.
Really? Interesting as most people have no clue about what "Mil-Spec" really means.
I would love to see these "major dings."
I understand this is a "standard" accepted and expected from Colt by some, but Colt could do better, should do better, and doesn't do as well as Sig in that respect. It's one thing to get dings on parts from a bin, it's another to exacerbate that issue with careless assembly.
Could they do better? Yes. Does their main customer expect better? No. Civy's sometimes forgot who Colt's main customer has been. The US GOVT isn't after "pretty" that is something that Civy's worry about.
Personally, I would rather have a dinged up Colt than a pretty whatever. YMMV.
As far as the Colt goes, I wanted it, or I wouldn't have bought it. I very much like it, or I wouldn't keep it. I also like the Sig, and have yet to see any objective evidence of a material or qualitative inferiority to the Colt. Other than the MP marked bolt and barrel, there appears to be nothing lacking in the Sig. The Sig was assembled in a manner that left it damage-free, and considering it hasn't short stroked at all, I suppose I could say it has been more reliable than the Colt.
You cannot "SEE" quality. This is the problem with the "F&F" crowd. Quality comes from the parts used, how it was assembled (torque values and following a standard) and testing done. So in order for you to be sure that the SIG is "better" or even equal to the Colt, you would need to take the SIG apart and have the Barrel & Bolt destructive tested to make sure of the steel. Then you have you have to see the ammo used to do HPT and the MPI results from a certified lab. Put a 556 gauge in the chamber, measure the thickness of the chrome, measure the gas port size, check the Rockwell hardness of everything from the carrier to the receiver extension. I could go on and on. So when you have the above done, let us know the outcome and if your conclusions are the same.
C4
Other than the MP marked bolt and barrel, there appears to be nothing lacking in the Sig.
Rowland, I appreciate you taking the time to post up your photos and review. The specs for the M400 listed on SIG's web site left me wondering if they had omitted the HPT/MPI info to instead promote the usual glitzy specs to the consumer market...apparently, they did not after seeing no such markings in your photos.
What that says in simplest terms is that SIG made a decision to cut corners to save money. For the OP and others who carry a duty rifle, this is unacceptable. For paper punchers, it probably doesn't matter and they'll never know the difference.
Take a look at Paul Buffoni's (owner of BCM) discussion about what goes into making a BCM rifle. Even a layman will get a sense that HPT/MPI testing on bolts and barrels is kind of a big deal when building rifles that attempt to match TDP. https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=55930
Maybe someone can nail down Sig and see if they actually do MPI/HP or just the HP? If that is the case then there is no need to look further. I would like to get one for S/D and beat the piss out of it.
DeltaSierra
03-17-12, 12:59
I didn't come here for you to teach me anything...
Oh, so just why did you bother to log in if you didn't want to learn anything?
...and I'm not trying to get you to lay aside whatever notions you have.
(sarcasm) Yeah, Grant is such a knucklehead that I can see why you wouldn't expect him to lay aside all his "notions" that he has since he doesn't have any real experience in this particular field (sarcasm.)
Whoa, come up for air, wipe that Colt-cum out of your eyes, and see my post for what it was. Merely informational. Love the Sig, or hate it - makes no difference to me. I didn't come here for you to teach me anything, and I'm not trying to get you to lay aside whatever notions you have. Like I said, this isn't my first dog and pony show.
Argue your points, but without being vulgar.
Maybe someone can nail down Sig and see if they actually do MPI/HP or just the HP? If that is the case then there is no need to look further. I would like to get one for S/D and beat the piss out of it.
I think that's a great idea. I'll contribute $20 towards its purchase as long as everyone else in this thread does the same. You'll have the money for one in no time. We'll lay out a procedure for its acquisition, a procedure for the video documentation of its testing, and procedure for the testing itself. It would make for an interesting thread.
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