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I was at the range trying to zero in a set of new Warren Tactical three dot sights on a G19.
The POI was about 2" above POA at 3-10 yards. At 10-25 yards it was 4".
Is this normal for these sights ? I think I might have made an expensive mistake with these. The sight picture is nice but I'm used to POA/POI being the same at 25 yards.
They are new but I doubt there is any way to return or exchange these. Any advice ?
Robb Jensen
03-16-12, 19:17
On G19s and 26s they hit high for me too. On G17s and G34s just a tad high.
Cagemonkey
03-16-12, 19:28
If your front sight is plain black, I'd say file it down and touch it up with some insta blue.
High Altitude
03-16-12, 19:41
If your front sight is plain black, I'd say file it down and touch it up with some insta blue.
Wouldn't that make it shoot higher?
If your front sight is plain black, I'd say file it down and touch it up with some insta blue.
Leave front alone. You need to either lower/file the rear or have a taller FS installed.
I'd contact mfg and request their advice.
To solve this POI issue, I have bought a 10-8 or Heinie .235 front sight to match with the Warren rear, as the Warren is .215 as I recall.
Cagemonkey
03-16-12, 19:48
Leave front alone. You need to either lower/file the rear or have a taller FS installed.
I'd contact mfg and request their advice.Your right, had a brain fart. Got things backwards. My bad.
If I had to get a taller front sight do you think I will end up having other issues ?
I'm not even sure what height these are. The package they came in was WTL-21.
Warren front sights come .215 and .245. Normally the .215 are the right ones for the G19. Mine shoots high too but I havent changed over to the higher ones yet, except for my G22 and G17.
http://www.cpwsa.com/warren_sevigny_sights.htm
The front sight on this thing already looks pretty tall.
Well, it needs to be taller. At least if you find the .245" is too tall, you can safely file that one down a bit. Just make sure you don't go too far.
I could take a file to the rear sights and take them down until POI and POA are closer.
Before I take a file to good sights I think I'm going to post these up on the EE for a severe discount. I might call the place I bought them from to see if theres any way I can return them for store credit but I really doubt thats possible (understandably since they've been mounted).
This has been an important and expensive lesson to learn about pistol sights. I never even gave much thought about elevation when it comes to pistol sights.
Had a similar issue recently with a Gen4 Glock 35. It was about 3" high at 25 yards. I made contact with Scott Warren and he said they offer a .245 front sight that should solve my issue and was referred to Chris at CPWSA.
The .245 has my gun POA/POI.
O'DubhGhaill
04-19-12, 15:45
I think I may need the taller blade as well - my G26 is way high @ 25yds., forcing me to use a 6 o'clock hold to hit center mast.
FWIW, both of my G19s required the .245 front sight. Both shot around 6 inches high at 25 with the factory sights as well as with the Warren .215
FWIW, both of my G19s required the .245 front sight. Both shot around 6 inches high at 25 with the factory sights as well as with the Warren .215
This. About a third of our Gen 4's need the taller front. Not completely unheard of among Glocks but maybe more prevalent in Gen 4 9mm's for reasons unknown. Wouldn't be such a problem if there were 18 rugged adjustable sight options dad gummit.
I could take a file to the rear sights and take them down until POI and POA are closer.
Before I take a file to good sights I think I'm going to post these up on the EE for a severe discount. I might call the place I bought them from to see if theres any way I can return them for store credit but I really doubt thats possible (understandably since they've been mounted).
This has been an important and expensive lesson to learn about pistol sights. I never even gave much thought about elevation when it comes to pistol sights.
Do not file the sights. You can go on the Ameriglo website, use their sight calculator, and purchase the correct ones.
The Warrens (I use the Sevigny) tend to hit 3" high at 25 yards for all my Glocks they are mounted on. I use a 6:00 hold when shooting B8s.
On one G17 with a KKM barrel, POI was 6" above POA. I ended up purchasing a .240 tall front from Ameriglo and I'm back to hitting reliably with the 6:00 hold.
Before I take a file to good sights I think I'm going to post these up on the EE for a severe discount. I might call the place I bought them from to see if theres any way I can return them for store credit but I really doubt thats possible (understandably since they've been mounted).
This has been an important and expensive lesson to learn about pistol sights. I never even gave much thought about elevation when it comes to pistol sights.
Your pistol may be the problem. I had a G17 that hit several inches high at 25 yards and was even worse at 50. I sent it back to Glock, who tested it at 10 and 15, said it was within factory spec, and sent it back unchanged. If that's the case with your pistol, a new set of sights could have the exact same problem.
The quick solution is to get a taller front sight from Ameriglo. Check out the height calculator on their website at http://www.ameriglo.net/sights/calculator A plain black front blade should cost around $20.
Glock pistols are different enough that I'll probably order a set of front blades in all heights so I can figure out which height each pistol needs before I order night sights.
If you insist on selling them, let me know. I'm interested in good sights at a steep discount.
Okie John
black22rifle
10-03-12, 22:45
the sight that comes with the set is for a 6 o'clock hold and is a .215" front sight. you need a .245" front sight for POA/POI
http://mle-shootingsports.com/WTS-Sight-Specifications.htm
^ Agree with others, you need a taller front sight.
Every .007" should relate to approx. 1" POI difference @ 25 yards.
Great Sight In Tool:
* 10-8 Performance Glock Sight In Tool
http://www.10-8performance.com/glock-sight-in-tool/
^ You dont need this as you already have a start front sight height. Measure your front sight height and add .007 for every inch you want the POI to come down @ 25 yards.
I like Warren Rear Sights, & have them on all my Glocks. Here is "My Preference/Setup"
Glock 34:
- Warren/Sevigny Competition Rear [.150 Notch]
- Dawson Precision Fiber Optic .235" Front [.105 Width]
POA/POI @ 25 Yards.
Glock 17:
- Warren Tactical Carry 1-Dot Rear [.150 Notch]
- Dawson Precision Tritium .225" Front [.125 Width]
POA/POI @ 25 Yards
Glock 26:
- Warren Tactical CArry 1-Dot Rear [.150 Notch]
- Dawson Precision Tritium .215" Front [.125 Width]
POA/POI @ 25 Yards
Ammo: 9mm/9x19; MG 124 grn JHP; approx. 1050 fps G17/G34
Hope this helps. :)
Guinnessman
10-04-12, 07:35
On the CPWSA website, under their FAQ's, it says that the Warren/Sevigny Tactical sights are designed for a 20 yard zero. Their FAQ's are pretty thorough on that Site and should help.
Dawson Precision makes the widest variety of heights and widths to help you find the right sight.
Mine have always shot a few inches high on my Glock 17 and 19. I'm ordering a Dawson FO to use with a Warren rear for competition, now that I know I can get a front sight that gives me POA/ POI again at 25.
http://www.dawsonprecision.com/CategoryProductList.jsp?cat=SIGHTS+FRONT
black22rifle
11-21-12, 13:08
i contacted warren tactical over e mail and spoke with scott on which front sight height to use for my glock 19 and he told me to go with the .215" front sight and see how it worked out. i ordered the sights and took it to the range and up close at about 5 yards it was shooting POA/POI but when i took the target as far as it would go out to 16 yards it was shooting about 4" high.
i spoke with scott again and he told me to send in my .215" front sight and he would exchange it for the .245" front sight. he said it would drop the POI about 4" at 25 yards and said the .215" sight shooting high does not happen very often
30 cal slut
11-21-12, 22:09
had same issue as op with .215 sights and switched to .245, problem solved on gen 3 glock 19.
gen 3 glock 17's usually go with .215 sighs.
maddeningly, though, gen 4 glock 17's need .245 sights. different lockup with that double rsa.
Hummm, looking at getting these sights for a 3rd gen G19 & seems like the .245 front sight is the one I should go with from what others have posted.
I have used .215 front and .250 high rear on my G19, 17 and 34. I have accuracy tested the G17 at 30 yards and it is GTG. The sights I like are the Dawson/Heine combo from CPWSA. For black sights, the Heine set can be had from Brownells for around $55. But be aware that the Heine front sight is .125" wide(I mill mine down to .100" wide like the Dawson).
I shot my G34 and G19 today at 22 yards and they both shot to POA with the .215 high front and .250 high rear. Got similar results with Win White box 115gr and the 135gr reloads.
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