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I've been dying to pick one of these up since I first handled one a few months ago, and after such a positive experience with my PPS, the PPQ really appealed to me. I didn't get to fire one before I bought, which scared me, but I had fondled them many times. Right away, I knew the texturing was going to be too slippery, but then found out G&R offered a stipple job at a more than fair price, and this had pretty much made up my mind that this is where I was going to buy from. I also wanted the RCS holster, night sites, and extra mags...but the combo was just a bit too expensive for my budget at the time, and G&R did not have them in stock, so I figured I would just wait and save a little more.
By pure chance, I came across a fellow member here (GJM) who had one with 50rds though it for sale from a friend. It had the walther night sites, extra 17rd mag, stipple job, polished internals by G&R, and the RCS holster...at an unbelievable price. It was fate. A few details later, I had the gun in my hands. GJM even flew across the country to make sure the pistol had shipped, what a guy! :cool:
Sorry for the long back story, but I wanted to make sure credit was given where credit was due, and perhaps someone is going through the same decision making process as I was.
On to the gun...550 rounds in the last 3 weeks...300 wwb, 200 federal red pack, 50 speer 124gr HP with no failures.
I love the ergos of this gun. The second my hand hits it in the holster, it's right where it needs to be in the webbing of my hand. I've shot just about every popular hand gun on the market, and none feel nearly as good to ME (though the p30 is close for obvious reasons). The stippling is good, my gf says that it hurts her hand, but I like it that way. A heads up if ordering from GR, find out what back strap you like as only the medium one came stippled. Also, this may be personal preference, but I prefer the "Transponder ID" section to be stippled as well, instead of smooth...see pics below.
The polished internals seem to have made a noticeable difference vs the other PPQ's I've handled, which I've only dry fired. The trigger seems to be a bit smoother, and the feed ramp is smoother than any other factory polished ramp I've felt. For the price, I say it is worth it. But if you are really trying to watch your $'s, I think you would be just fine with out it as well. Also worth noting, that after the 550rds fired, the trigger seems to smooth out even more, and I think it still will.
I really like the trigger on the PPQ, as I'm sure everyone has heard, it has got to be the best out of the box trigger on a polymer gun. The trigger has 3 stages. First, slight initial take up before you reach the safety plunger. Then you have the longer take up where the trigger bar is depressing the plunger til you hit the "wall". Then that is followed by a really clean, crisp break. It is a bit longer than I'm used to (longer/lighter than the PPS), but it really is fantastic! The take up is so smooth at speed that you won't notice the increased distance. I also really like that during dry fire, the trigger doesn't go dead like most striker fired guns. The trigger is also really wide, which I dig.
Recoil: This is sort of tricky. I can tell that there does seem to be a LITTLE more muzzle flip than other similiar sized guns I regularly shoot (FNX and glocks), but due to the great ergos, it seems to return to target VERY fast and very naturally. My gf, who has smaller hands and who is not very strong, could definitely tell a difference though. I also felt like I was pretty fast with it, but I'll need more time to tell.
This was my number one concern when buying this gun, but I'm confident that it is no longer a concern anymore.
Accuracy is very good, probably the most accurate polymer gun I've shot.
Build quality seems to be very good, but only time will tell. The finish on the barrel seems to be wearing a little faster than most other guns I own though.
Walther Night sites, as I'm sure most of you have probably heard, they seem to be somewhat dim. In my case, the rears are slightly brighter than the front, which is mildly annoying. But I prefer them to the other options out right now...plus they are the same as the ones on my PPS which is nice.
Final thoughts? I really like this gun, a lot. I think it is already becoming my favorite, and I think anyone would be making a mistake if they left it off their short list if they are in the market for this type of gun. Highly recommend. Hope this helps anyone who might be going through the same decision making process as I was.
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Smooth spot on the back
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Had to modify the SW key for the tlr1s to fit more flush against the trigger guard, otherwise you're forced to move the light out 1 more position on the rail
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Size vs PPS w/ 7rd mag for those curious
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Bottom left: My first ever group from apprx 9yds.
Top Left: 2nd group
Middle and Right: the girl from 5 yards, not bad right??
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Great review!
My wife has a 9mm PPQ and I have a .40 PPQ. They are AWESOME pistols!
I recently stippled my PPQ, That's probably one of the best mods you can do to it, as I also feel it's a little slippery in stock form, Let's see if I can post a couple of pics..http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab255/Ralph495/P3170053.jpg
Excellent write-up! I still have yet to even see one of these locally. Been trying to get my hands on one to check it out and possibly buy.
You guys are killing me! I want to try one of these in the worst sort of way and Grant doesn't have any in stock. :(
Great review, thanks for posting. I've been considering picking one up, and the muzzle flip is a concern for me as well.
Excellent write-up! I still have yet to even see one of these locally. Been trying to get my hands on one to check it out and possibly buy.
I'm out in mesa, and there is one in stock at a shop here. If you're close, shoot me a pm and ill tell where i've seen them, that way we don't clutter up the thread.
I've had my eyes on one of these for a while now. The LGS can bring them in for about the same price as the Gen 4 Glocks, but the mags are ridiculously expensive. He quoted something like $60 for the 10 round mags. Even searching online, the 10 rounders are quite pricey.
I just may have to bite the bullet and get one to try. Then if I like it, I'll just have to sack up and buy some mags.
How's the trigger? Can the trigger be worked on if necessary?
This thread is a WIN in every way!
Thanks for the great review and pics tdoom15!
How's the trigger? Can the trigger be worked on if necessary?
The trigger is THE BEST out of the box trigger of any of the striker fired pistols IMO. Smooth, very short reset, reset has a positive audible click sound.
I bought my wife one in 9mm and liked it so much I sold my Glock 23 that had had a bunch of work done to it to get a PPQ in .40. I have ZERO regrets.
As far as your question about it being able to be worked on: I am not sure, but honestly there is just no need for it.
How's the trigger? Can the trigger be worked on if necessary?
The trigger is the PPQ's best feature. No need to mess with it.
gtmtnbiker98
03-23-12, 13:25
The trigger is the PPQ's best feature. No need to mess with it.Definitely.
Try again with pics..
Nice job on that, I completely agree, it was a must for me too.
Great review, thanks for posting. I've been considering picking one up, and the muzzle flip is a concern for me as well.
My advice is to buy it and try it, you'll have no problem reselling it if you don't end up liking it. IMO, with a good grip, it shouldn't be a an issue. Like I said, I feel I was able to put really accurate hits on target and gun seemed to return to target noticeably quicker than the fnx I was shooting that day. The ergos really make the difference for this gun imo.
How's the trigger? Can the trigger be worked on if necessary?
I've seen some complaints of some "grit" in the take up. This is due to the trigger bar not being 100% aligned with the safety plunger. When depressing, it may push it slightly to one side rather than straight up, therefore causing some resistance. This can easily remidied by shaving/bending the trigger bar ear to depress the plunger at the correct angle. <--This is also a very minor issue, and not noticed unless depressing the trigger VERY slowly (slower than you would if shooting). Also, this is just on some guns, if you notice it, you can take those steps to remedy it if it bothers you. It will also probably smooth out a little the more you shoot it and by keeping it lubed.
Here is the BEST explanation/DIY I've seen on it:
http://www.handgunsforum.com/uploads/walther_ppq_gritty_trigger_fix.pdf
Good review. Took a few pictures of mine tonight since I couldn't shoot today.
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I see what you did there :D
Rompnstomp
11-21-12, 16:56
That is proof that the PPQ is HK quality.:D
The Dumb Gun Collector
11-21-12, 17:10
If Crimson trace would come out with a decent laser grip solution for it I would sell my M&P40 to get one of these babies. I had a P99 10-13 years ago and it was excellent. But the trigger on these PPQs is enough to get my attention--and I usually an not a trigger snob.
Good review. Took a few pictures of mine tonight since I couldn't shoot today.
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Trying to pull an H&K
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My own PPQ has actually replaced my Glock 19's for carry with a midsize pistol. It's the only pistol that has been able to get me to lay down a Glock,although I still use a G17 regularly.
I have run mine hard and can find no fault with it.Still havn't changed out the sights,tho. Waiting on something without the three dot configuration to come along.
OP,nice jpb on the stippling.
My PPQ has put my G19 in the back of the safe too. We'll see if Randy's miracle extractor can turn it into a functional pistol. In the meantime, the PPQ has been impressive for me.
I put a pair of Dawson Precision sights on mine. Was a little put off by the polymer sights that it came with.
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My own PPQ has actually replaced my Glock 19's for carry with a midsize pistol. It's the only pistol that has been able to get me to lay down a Glock,although I still use a G17 regularly.
I have run mine hard and can find no fault with it.Still havn't changed out the sights,tho. Waiting on something without the three dot configuration to come along.
You can get a .125 tritium-front (white outline) w/ .125 or .145 black rear from Dawson Precision.
Ha, the fiber optic version of same was posted while I wrote that.
There is a distinct H&K look to the PPQ, IMHO.
The Dumb Gun Collector
11-21-12, 19:21
HK and Walther have been copying each others' innovations fairly rapidly since the mid 90s. Frankly, most of the interesting developments in the combat handgun world since 1992 have come out of their little rivalry.
BrigandTwoFour
11-21-12, 21:39
I finally got the chance to shoot one of these recently, and I want one. I bought an FNS-9 not long ago, but my wife has claimed it as hers- which means I want another pistol.
Thing is, though, the Air Force is moving me to California in February. Because of that, I was about to grab a Glock 19 or M&P 9 due to 10 rd magazine availability.
I know the baby eagle magazines from Mec-Gar apparently work with the PPQ, but do you guys have any experience with them?
If I go this route, I'll have to jump on the pistol fairly soon. I won't be able to buy it once I'm already in California without some rather lengthy BS.
brushy bill
11-21-12, 21:49
If you are restricted to a 10 round magazine, why would you go with a neutered 9mm versus a standard capacity 45? I completely get advocacy for a 17 or 19 rd 9mm vs a 10 rd 45, but I can't get my head around a 10 rd 9mm over a 10 rd .45 unless it was vastly more concealable, not a standard size reduced to lower mag capacity. Can someone enlighten me beyond cheaper practice ammo?
Because of that, I was about to grab a Glock 19 or M&P 9 due to 10 rd magazine availability.
You can get a .125 tritium-front (white outline) w/ .125 or .145 black rear from Dawson Precision.
Ha, the fiber optic version of same was posted while I wrote that.
Appreciate the info,and thanks to Hmac for the photos,also.Those sight widths you mention should be ideal for me,as I have recently started using a .125 front and .140 rear from 10-8 on my oldest G17,and it's a great improvement for my older eyes in getting on target fast. Thanks to both again for the tip on the Dawsons. They look good.
BrigandTwoFour
11-21-12, 23:15
If you are restricted to a 10 round magazine, why would you go with a neutered 9mm versus a standard capacity 45? I completely get advocacy for a 17 or 19 rd 9mm vs a 10 rd 45, but I can't get my head around a 10 rd 9mm over a 10 rd .45 unless it was vastly more concealable, not a standard size reduced to lower mag capacity. Can someone enlighten me beyond cheaper practice ammo?
Understandable, and I've given the same advice to others. But this isn't my only pistol, I already have two .45s, including a 1911 that was my first pistol.
This isn't so much a matter of need for a new 9mm so much as a want. My time in California is not permanent, and I will get to take advantage of the larger capacity wherever I go after.
Appreciate the info,and thanks to Hmac for the photos,also.Those sight widths you mention should be ideal for me,as I have recently started using a .125 front and .140 rear from 10-8 on my oldest G17,and it's a great improvement for my older eyes in getting on target fast. Thanks to both again for the tip on the Dawsons. They look good.
I opted for the .145 rear and found it to be perfect for me.
Larry Vickers
11-22-12, 09:11
In my opinion the PPQ is the best polymer frame pistol to hit the market in a long time
It is basically a striker fired HK P30 - and with a great trigger
Good sights and stippling and you are off to the races
Well done Walther
Sincerely
LAV
Are those Dawson sights working out well? I dont care for the stock ones much, and I am a fan of fiber optics. I wish Hilton would make a 10-8 rear for it. I have already bothered him once....:p
Are those Dawson sights working out well? I dont care for the stock ones much, and I am a fan of fiber optics. I wish Hilton would make a 10-8 rear for it. I have already bothered him once....:p
I like mine a lot. I wanted to get away from 3-dots and I thought the PPQ deserved metal sights.
Others have reported good results with the Meprolight Tritiums (http://www.meprolight.com/default.asp?catid={9E0E114D-D3CE-4DA7-9D49-69AA4FC0C485}&details_type=1&itemid={778E43F7-A932-4D81-A853-0A32565BDA68}).
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I opted for the Dawson fiberoptic front. I could switch to a tritium front for $49 and about 3 minutes with a hex wrench if the fiberoptic doesn't work out for me.
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Are those Dawson sights working out well? I dont care for the stock ones much, and I am a fan of fiber optics. I wish Hilton would make a 10-8 rear for it. I have already bothered him once....:p
Good job! Bother him again,and I'll try to help.:) In the meantime,I'll be ordering a set of the Dawsons tomorrow. Also I appreciate LAV's opinion on this pistol. It just validates everything.:cool:
kaltesherz
11-23-12, 03:09
I'm getting dangerously close to trying one of these out, and the price of mags almost killed my interest- but I just read that Baby Eagle and P99 mags work as well and are generally cheaper
I'm getting dangerously close to trying one of these out, and the price of mags almost killed my interest- but I just read that Baby Eagle and P99 mags work as well and are generally cheaper
On the magazines, beware that the old IMI Baby Eagle's magazines will not fit. The one that fits is the Magnum Research MR9 Eagle Fast Action pistol, is the MR9 Fast Action is the same pistol as the PPQ. Also the original P99 magazines won't work either, what you want is the latest generation of P99 magazines.
As for getting this gun, I got one because I read the recommendations by LAV. When he recommends something, listen to him, it is that good.
I have several MR9 magazines on back order at Midway. It been a month...so far delivery has been pushed back again to December.
The MR9 is a licensed copy of the P99 AS, sold by Magnum Research. Walther makes the frame and internals, Magnum Research makes the slide and barrel, and Mec-Gar makes the mags. The MR9 mags use the same mag body as the PPQ mags, but they use a different outer finish, a different color follower, and a baseplate that reads "Magnum Research Baby Desert Eagle" (not to be confused with the Baby Eagle). They are a cheaper alternative to the factory mags.
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ppq/22734-eagle-has-landed-whos-prettier.html
The latest Walther P99 mags will work in the PPQ as well. They will have the same mag body, a different finish, a different color follower, and a baseplate that reads "Walther P99". Sometime after 2010, Mec-Gar shortened the front of the mag body so that the mag would clear the longer feedramp of the PPQ. The latest P99 mags will work in a PPQ with no problems, but they are not a cheaper alternative to the factory PPQ mags, as they cost about the same.
The older P99 mags, and the SW99 mags will latch into the pistol, and will function according to a few people who have tried them, but the feedramp impacts the front/top of the mag body every time the slide cycles. They can be used in an emergency, but I assume that sooner or later, either the feedramp, the mag body, or both will get damaged after enough use.
Post #23 shows the difference between the mag bodies of the older vs newer 99-series pistol mags:
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/faq-ppq/16356-ppq-magazine-question-3.html
Notice how the front lip of the mag will be higher on the older mags, and how the feedramp will impact it. Some members of the Walther forum have modified older mags so that the front lip of the mag body mimics the newer design, and have reported success. Not too long ago, you could find SW99 mags for around $25, and a lot of P99 owners took advantage of this compatibility to get cheaper mags for the P99. If you are willing to cut a little bit of metal off the front of the mag body, then you can make any 99-series mag compatible with the PPQ. It looks like a simple cut, and I'm thinking of modifying a few of my older P99 mags myself.
Mags that will work in the PPQ:
-Walther PPQ
-Magnum Research MR 9/40
-Walther P99 (2011 production and later)
Mags that will work after modification:
-Walther P99 (2010 production and earlier)
-S&W SW99
All factory 99-series pistol mags are made by Mec-Gar.
I bought two magnum research mags from Cross Creek Guns that work great in my PPQ. The only difference between them and PPQ mags are the baseplate markings and the finish. All at 1/2 the price.
On the magazines, beware that the old IMI Baby Eagle's magazines will not fit. The one that fits is the Magnum Research MR9 Eagle Fast Action pistol, is the MR9 Fast Action is the same pistol as the PPQ. Also the original P99 magazines won't work either, what you want is the latest generation of P99 magazines.
As for getting this gun, I got one because I read the recommendations by LAV. When he recommends something, listen to him, it is that good.
What do you think of the PPQ since you picked one up?
Thing is, though, the Air Force is moving me to California....If I go this route, I'll have to jump on the pistol fairly soon. I won't be able to buy it once I'm already in California without some rather lengthy BS. If you buy your PPQ out of state, all you have to do to register it here is fill out this form and pay $19 - http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ab991frm.pdf
If you cannot get one before moving here, don't worry, you can still legally buy a PPQ, or just about any other off-list pistol, it just costs more - $81 more - than bringing one in.
I live in Los Angeles and got a PPQ .40 in April. In order to do so, you have to use an FFL willing to do a Single-Shot-Exemption(SSE) transaction. Basically, for the duration of the 10 day holding period, the FFL temporarily swaps out the stock barrel for one that gives the gun an overall length >10.5" and temporarily blocks the magazine well rendering making the pistol only capable of firing in single shot capacity.
On the day that you pick up the gun, after signing the papers, you field strip it, replace the stock barrel, and unscrew the mag well block. The 12 or 15 round magazines are given to you disassembled in "kit" form. it is legal to own them, but illegal to assemble and use them in a 10+ round capacity. You can buy reversible mag blocks which limit them to 10 rounds, or permanently block them yourself. Or, just buy 10 round mags and keep the others for out of state.
You now own a 100% California handgun and are free to do as you please. If you choose to sell or transfer the gun in the future, it doesn't not have to go through SSE again.
Here is the definitive source for SSE information - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=383692
And here is my FFL, who sells mag blocks - http://ebrworks.com/EBR_Works_Exclusives.html
Magic_Salad0892
11-23-12, 21:49
Where are the Walther 17 round PPQ magazines? I wanna pick up a few for my girlfriend. She just got a PPQ.
Where are the Walther 17 round PPQ magazines? I wanna pick up a few for my girlfriend. She just got a PPQ.
http://crosscreekguns.com/order_forms/PPQ9mag.htm
There is a place that has them. My LGS has them for 55 bucks. Im tempted to get 1 just, well, because.
Magic_Salad0892
11-23-12, 22:08
Sweet. When I get paid, I'll pick a few up. Thanks, man.
What do you think of the PPQ since you picked one up?
I love it. It feels in my hand better than the M&P, that speaks a lot, because until now I thought the M&P had the best ergonomics. The gun is very accurate. It's becoming my primary 9mm handgun. This is coming from someone who has two M&Ps.
I also really like that during dry fire, the trigger doesn't go dead like most striker fired guns.
Can you elaborate on this point a bit more? Does the trigger reset itself when you dry fire it?
brushy bill
11-24-12, 04:49
I love it. It feels in my hand better than the M&P, that speaks a lot, because until now I thought the M&P had the best ergonomics. The gun is very accurate. It's becoming my primary 9mm handgun. This is coming from someone who has two M&Ps.
I'm seeing more and more positive things about the PPQ. So far not one negative post. I hate to invest in another platform and all the support items (mags, parts, holsters, etc), but this one has me thinking. Not to mention the recent high praise from LAV.
I'm seeing more and more positive things about the PPQ. So far not one negative post. I hate to invest in another platform and all the support items (mags, parts, holsters, etc), but this one has me thinking. Not to mention the recent high praise from LAV.
The only negatives I have experienced or read about the PPQ...
Sights. It comes with 3-dot polymer sights. The rear is windage-adjustable. These sights were apparently chosen because of ATF import points, or something like that. You can't really rack the slide one-handed using the rear polymer sight. Not that that's something I do often. Still...
There aren't a lot of sight choices out there for the PPQ. Any sights for the P99 will fit the PPQ. The only aftermarket ones I know of are Dawson Precision and Meprolight. I really like the DP.
There are some holster limitations. I've found the DeSantis Speed Scabbard to be great for OWB carry. I have a BladeTech on order as a range holster. The BladeTech has to be ordered by phone...it's not available on their website. Raven makes a holster for the PPQ with or without light. Not quick-ship, so you have the usual RCS lead time to contend with. Kaluban Cloak was making PPQ holsters, but they're no longer taking any orders for any holsters.
Some of the earlier US imported PPQ have a backstrap labeled as being that the gun is chipped. Apparently none of the US guns are chipped even though the backstrap is labeled as such. Apparently S&W will send you a set of non-labeled backstraps if you care about that.
Magazines are expensive at around $50. G&R sells them at $46, but out of stock. I bought a couple of 17 rounders from G&R. Waiting on some MR Eagles, backordered from Midway. They are reportedly just as good at $32.
Availability is spotty. The gun is either in high demand or supply is constrained (or both).
Walther is in the process of divorcing itself from S&W as importer and service provider and that will supposedly execute in January 2013. New guns therefore won't be stamped "Smith & Wesson" on the slide. In the meantime, Smith & Wesson doesn't seem to get good reviews as a Walther service provider these days. Whether the new impending import path is affecting supply now, or will affect supply in the near future, remains to be seen. Likewise, it's unknown how or if warranty and repair service will be affected.
Holster availability wasn't as bad as thought it would be. I got two Kydex holsters, one from Mills tactical and one from darkstargear. Both were at my door in less than a week. Both are very high quality and were priced well.
I need Dawson sights now. :cool:
Bought one today, selling it tonight.
Slide stop too easily engaged. Sweet shooter
That big slide stop requires either a thumbs up or dominant thumb over the base of the support hand thumb, like with a P30 or Sig, to make it lock back on an empty magazine.
Bought one today, selling it tonight Wow, that's quick. Not worth a little practice to stop riding the slide release?
Slide stop too easily engaged. I had the same thing happen a couple of times in my first few range trips. Now, I ride my support hand pad & thumb high, right over the slide release, so there is no way for the dominant/trigger hand thumb to actuate the lever. Haven't had a single issue with the slide release in ~4,000 rounds since then.
Bought one today, selling it tonight.
Slide stop too easily engaged. Sweet shooter
Well there you go. It's not for everybody. Although one magazine isn't enough to judge a gun.
I'm sure you will not have to wait long for a buyer.
I ride it on occasion, less with the large backstrap, but if I can't modify my grip properly with practice I'll order an extra slide release and cut it back a half inch with a Dremel tool.
Wow, that's quick. Not worth a little practice to stop riding the slide release? I had the same thing happen a couple of times in my first few range trips. Now, I ride my support hand pad & thumb high, right over the slide release, so there is no way for the dominant/trigger hand thumb to actuate the lever. Haven't had a single issue with the slide release in ~4,000 rounds since then.
Well there you go. It's not for everybody. Although one magazine isn't enough to judge a gun.
Agreed, however I shoot all semi autos with pretty much the same grip. Changing for this one isn't an option. To that end, I dig the mag release, but my muscle memory on all other semis does not. The mag release is something I can work with though.
I ride it on occasion, less with the large backstrap, but if I can't modify my grip properly with practice I'll order an extra slide release and cut it back a half inch with a Dremel tool.
Riding the SS isn't my problem, not riding it is..My strong thumb naturally goes below. It's normally at the top of the frame.
Edit: found answer to question below on Walther forum..maybe I'll try a dremmel mod in the morning:)
Question, do any of you ppq owners know how to take off the right side of the SS?
brushy bill
11-24-12, 20:46
Bought one today, selling it tonight.
Slide stop too easily engaged. Sweet shooter
I'm not pretending to be your accountant, but do you think you might want to try before you buy...even if not live fire, couldn't you just check the gun for fit? I would at minimum invest a little effort in the platform before writing it off. I don't have one (thinking about it but don't want all the mags, parts, holsters for a new gun when I already have two polymer wonders) but can't see why one would buy and give up in 24 hr span...YMMV.
I'm not pretending to be your accountant, but do you think you might want to try before you buy...even if not live fire, couldn't you just check the gun for fit? I would at minimum invest a little effort in the platform before writing it off. I don't have one (thinking about it but don't want all the mags, parts, holsters for a new gun when I already have two polymer wonders) but can't see why one would buy and give up in 24 hr span...YMMV.
Nobody I know has one. No range I know of rents one.
I'm not accustomed to a two inch slide release. Further, I'm LH so almost all are on the left side of the gun, thus non issue.
Nobody I know has one. No range I know of rents one.
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If you asked me I would have let you handle my PPQ, although you don't know me. :)
If you asked me I would have let you handle my PPQ, although you don't know me. :)
Thanks but I'd rather shoot that Colt:D
Thanks but I'd rather shoot that Colt:D
You can see the Colt too, although it only makes you want one and John's wait is looooong.
Question, do any of you ppq owners know how to take off the right side of the SS?
A few helpful threads from the PPQ FAQ on the Walther forum.
Frame Disassembly:
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/faq-ppq/20739-disassembly-ppq-step-step.html
Frame Reassembly:
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/faq-ppq/20740-reassembly-ppq-step-step.html
Bought one today, selling it tonight.
Slide stop too easily engaged. Sweet shooter
Going to take a dremmel to SS this morning and better wring it out throughout the day.
You can see the Colt too, although it only makes you want one and John's wait is looooong.
I know..been on it for couple years:(
A few helpful threads from the PPQ FAQ on the Walther forum.
Frame Disassembly:
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/faq-ppq/20739-disassembly-ppq-step-step.html
Frame Reassembly:
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/faq-ppq/20740-reassembly-ppq-step-step.html
Thanks balance
The only negatives I have experienced or read about the PPQ...
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There aren't a lot of sight choices out there for the PPQ. Any sights for the P99 will fit the PPQ. The only aftermarket ones I know of are Dawson Precision and Meprolight. I really like the DP.
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Trijicon also makes P99 sights that will work.
So does Betalight from Holland (who makes the factory night sights). Unfortunately the EU companies have tritium paranoia so they don't shine as bright as US sights.
Also, the P99, PPQ, and PPS all can share sights. That means you can take, for example, Mepro PPS sights and install them if you like that style better than the P99 style.
You can put Glock front sights on it. You just have to torque it down and put lock-tite on it (as you would anyway) as the PPQ slot is a tad bigger.
SS problem solved
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/84047a906e3e43ba24865ffb1b7e56f0.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/33168502a30baf9a42be6730ecd13924.jpg
So you decided to keep it another day or two?
So you decided to keep it another day or two?
for now:stop:
http://youtu.be/u3NSoWyQhrE?hd=1
Looks like you solve the slide stop problem.
Was that a Submariner on your wrist?
Magic_Salad0892
11-25-12, 19:44
I love the slide stop mod.
Looks like you solve the slide stop problem.
Was that a Submariner on your wrist?
Yep and yep..now if I could only find some of those gold plated/diamond crusted PPQ mags:rolleyes:
I love the slide stop mod.
Thanks...It's not symmetrical with the left side, but it works.
On another note, finally got off steel and on paper. Crazy accurate pistol.
How's that PPQ doing for you so far sir?
I showed mine to a few long time Glock shooters (experienced not novice) and the resistant is strong. They did not think that it will replace their Glocks due to the huge investment in magazines, gears they've already made. They also touted the easy availability of spare parts for the Austrian perfection sensation.
As good as it is, this gun has a tall hill to climb to gain just a small acceptance.
How's that PPQ doing for you so far sir?
I showed mine to a few long time Glock shooters (experienced not novice) and the resistant is strong. They did not think that it will replace their Glocks due to the huge investment in magazines, gears they've already made. They also touted the easy availability of spare parts for the Austrian perfection sensation.
As good as it is, this gun has a tall hill to climb to gain just a small acceptance.
Glock casts a large shadow, no doubt about it.
How's that PPQ doing for you so far sir?
I showed mine to a few long time Glock shooters (experienced not novice) and the resistant is strong. They did not think that it will replace their Glocks due to the huge investment in magazines, gears they've already made. They also touted the easy availability of spare parts for the Austrian perfection sensation.
As good as it is, this gun has a tall hill to climb to gain just a small acceptance.
Who cares if the Glock guys don't want to change? There's no denying that Glocks work. My brother carries one on duty and has trusted his life to it for years.
I like the PPQ better and wouldn't trade it for two Glocks. But my brother has much more experience going into harm's way and his opinion of what makes a good duty pistol carries much more weight than mine
I'm in the same boat, logistics-wise. I've got a lot of Glocks, mags, parts, sight pushers, holsters, etc.
I like the feel of the PPQ, and I may pick one up anyway, as soon as they're a little easier to find in 9mm back down at reasonable prices.
Who cares if the Glock guys don't want to change?
I agree with this sentiment.
I carried my P99 for years before the PPQ was released, and years before the majority of people even considered a Walther when purchasing a polymer pistol.
Glock owners couldn't get me to change if they tried.
How's that PPQ doing for you so far sir?
I showed mine to a few long time Glock shooters (experienced not novice) and the resistant is strong. They did not think that it will replace their Glocks due to the huge investment in magazines, gears they've already made. They also touted the easy availability of spare parts for the Austrian perfection sensation.
As good as it is, this gun has a tall hill to climb to gain just a small acceptance.
Well I still have it if that means anything:D
Put a new front sight on it, but no further trigger time as the two mag thing is a pita
Sounds like you had some informed Glock owners. Even non PPQ folks know the mags are high and hard to find. If that wasn't the case I bet you'd have more converts willing to make the investment. Trigger aside, the grip is so natural.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/f4a64d3e8d7d969dde463057422903b9.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/dd2aa6cadf3611991cd207f30c690707.jpg
Rocketman: What kind of front sight is that?
Rocketman: What kind of front sight is that?
Ameriglo Pro Glo GL 212-OR-C
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/eef7eff3fee804f8f5878a6ceeaff5ad.jpg
So it's a Glock front sight.
Magic_Salad0892
12-02-12, 22:29
How the hell did that fit?
So it's a Glock front sight.
Yep
How the hell did that fit?
Couple mods is all...it's rock solid
Now to find a viable candidate to replace the plastic rear.
What do you have to do to make it fit solidly?
What do you have to do to make it fit solidly?
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ppq/25089-found-night-sight-set-doesnt-change-poi-here-what-you-want-3.html#post214141
What do you have to do to make it fit solidly?
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ppq/25089-found-night-sight-set-doesnt-change-poi-here-what-you-want-3.html#post214141
Yep...with a couple minor tweaks to that spec
That's too much redneck engineering for me to try. :sarcastic:
I'll wait until someone comes out with a dedicated sight for the PPQ.
That's too much redneck engineering for me to try. :sarcastic:
I'll wait until someone comes out with a dedicated sight for the PPQ.
My only experience is with the Dawson sights, which are designed for the PPQ. The front sight fits perfectly. They even include the necessary 3/16 nut tool for installing the nut. Washer isn't required. The rear sight goes on with a little fitting. A $5 triangle file is necessary, and is fitted to the slide in the same way that a competent gunsmith would install a dovetail sight.
That's too much redneck engineering for me to try. :sarcastic:
I'll wait until someone comes out with a dedicated sight for the PPQ.
It's really not a big deal. The addition of the washer (4mm) would be a plus even if the sight fit perfectly. This method ensures zero play and as long as the slide doesn't get to 400 degrees you're gtg
Having installed these sights on multiple Glocks I've found they are all not cut the same. So, filling the channel using the aforementioned method eliminates any rear movment keeping in mind most of the force is against the front of the channel...easy peasy even a GT guy could do:p
http://imageshack.us/a/img838/3528/002hbk.jpg
I just got a Blade Tech OWB holster for my PPQ. I favor that with drop/offset as a range holster. Typical Blade-Tech quality. Very nicely put together. I went with TekLok attachment which makes it easier to switch holsters on the padded belt I use in courses and on the range.
Note that the Blade Tech for the PPQ doesn't come up as a choice on their website if you're ordering online. You can email them, or call them on the phone to get this particular holster for this particular gun.
http://SSEquine.net/ppq holster 2s.jpg
http://SSEquine.net/ppq holster 3s.jpg
30 cal slut
12-04-12, 21:47
Anyone try baby deagle mags for the PPQ? I think I read somewhere they work, for half the price of a PPQ factory mag.
I bought two magnum research mags from cross creek guns. Other than the finish and floorplate stamping, they are identical to factory mags.
Anyone try baby deagle mags for the PPQ? I think I read somewhere they work, for half the price of a PPQ factory mag.
MAGFA915 - 15rd/9mm
MAGFA910 - 10rd/9mm
MAGFA4011 - 11rd/.40
MAGFA4010 - 10rd/.40
These are the part numbers for the Magnum Research mags that will fit in the 99-series pistols. There has been some confusion on a few of these threads because MR had at least three names for their version of the P99.
The MR9, the Baby Desert Eagle, the Fast Action Pistol, and I may be forgetting a fourth name, are all the same pistol, the P99 copy, and all use the same mags.
The Baby Eagle is a different pistol, and uses different mags, but with a similar part number - MAG915. These mags will not work in a 99-series pistol.
If anyone is desparate beyond belief, Cheaper Than Dirt in Fort Worth had two or three PPQ mags... for $58 apiece.
I just picked a couple of Walther 15 rd mags at Cross Creek Guns for $45 (last two, I fear...thanks CFII). In the meantime I have two Walthers on back order at CTD and two Baby Eagle mags on back order at Midway. These suckers are hard to find.
For those interested, we have 20rd PPQ/P99 9mm mags in stock!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=2704587
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/SW/PPQ_20rd.jpg
C4
For those interested, we have 20rd PPQ/P99 9mm mags in stock!
Excellent.
I was interested in these for my P99 a while back when I found out they existed. When I contacted S&W back then, I was told there weren't any in stock, and I never looked into buying one again after that.
Can you post a pic of the other side? There is a tab on the other side that impacts the bottom of the magwell, and stops the mag from going high enough for the feed lip to impact the ejector, correct?
Also, were the P99 20rd mags updated with the shorter front lip that will not impact the longer feedramp of the newer PPQ while cycling the slide?
Excellent.
I was interested in these for my P99 a while back when I found out they existed. When I contacted S&W back then, I was told there weren't any in stock, and I never looked into buying one again after that.
Can you post a pic of the other side? There is a tab on the other side that impacts the bottom of the magwell, and stops the mag from going high enough for the feed lip to impact the ejector, correct?
Also, were the P99 20rd mags updated with the shorter front lip that will not impact the longer feedramp of the newer PPQ while cycling the slide?
Correct on all your assumptions.
Just did a mag dump in my PPQ with one, worked great!
C4
Excellent. I'll be making a purchase soon.
I am assuming that the 20RD mags don't fit flush, correct?
I am assuming that the 20RD mags don't fit flush, correct?
Correct. No 20rd mag fits flush in a gun designed for 15 or 17rd mags.
C4
That's what I thought but was hoping for something like the 20Rd Mag from MecGar for the P226.
Magic_Salad0892
12-07-12, 18:33
Correct. No 20rd mag fits flush in a gun designed for 15 or 17rd mags.
C4
Any way you'd be able to post a pic?
Any way you'd be able to post a pic?
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/SW/ppq_20rd1.jpg
C4
Magic_Salad0892
12-08-12, 10:53
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/SW/ppq_20rd1.jpg
C4
Thanks, Grant.
BTW: What's that weird plastic thing near where the magazine meets the grip? It looks like the metal magazine holding a plastic bar or something.
Thanks, Grant.
BTW: What's that weird plastic thing near where the magazine meets the grip? It looks like the metal magazine holding a plastic bar or something.
Pseudo base pad
kaltesherz
12-08-12, 11:01
Thanks, Grant.
BTW: What's that weird plastic thing near where the magazine meets the grip? It looks like the metal magazine holding a plastic bar or something.
Keeps user from over-inserting mag
Five_Point_Five_Six
12-08-12, 11:10
As soon as my AR build is complete along with my mag and ammo hoarding, I have to pick up a PPQ in 9mm.
Magic_Salad0892
12-08-12, 13:14
Keeps user from over-inserting mag
How come this design needs it, and other guns like HK, SIG, or Glock don't?
How come this design needs it, and other guns like HK, SIG, or Glock don't?
Generally those mags have a plastic sleeve that stops its level of insertion.
C4
How come this design needs it, and other guns like HK, SIG, or Glock don't?
The only polymer pistol I know of, that you don't have to worry about over insertion of extended mags, is Glock.
They have a tab on the mag:
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/balance740/100_1208.jpg
That impacts a tab in the magwell:
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/balance740/100_1209.jpg
That stops the left side feedlip on the mag from impacting the ejector:
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/balance740/100_1210.jpg
All other polymer pistol designs that I know of, use the baseplate of the mag as a "stop", to stop the mag from going too high.
Putting an extended mag into a 99-series pistol without something to stop it from going too high, would result in the left side feedlip impacting the ejector, as shown in this picture with the baseplate taken off of a factory PPQ mag:
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/balance740/100_1188.jpg
If the mag was inserted hard enough, it would result in a broken ejector, as it was not designed to take the impact of a mag being slammed into it.
This shouldn't be done on Sigs or H&Ks either.
RancidSumo
12-08-12, 21:18
Grant,
What sights are you using on that PPQ (specifically the green front).
Magic_Salad0892
12-08-12, 21:20
Thanks for the info guys. :D
Grant,
What sights are you using on that PPQ (specifically the green front).
Trijicon P99. I then painted the front sights.
C4
Walther has a giveaway of a PPQ at the end of January. This is the picture of it that they posted on their Facebook page. I wonder if the new versions will all have the thumb mag release, or if trigger paddle vs thumb release will be optional.
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1171_176562129134145_1852323258_n.jpg
Walther has a giveaway of a PPQ at the end of January. This is the picture of it that they posted on their Facebook page. I wonder if the new versions will all have the thumb mag release, or if trigger paddle vs thumb release will be optional.
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1171_176562129134145_1852323258_n.jpg
Interesting. I hope it remains optional. I really like the paddle release on my PPQ.
I haven't seen much information about any lineup changes or availability effects of Walther's impending divorce from S&W as an import or service path. I've seen reports that the PPQ Navy will become available in the US too. The thumb button mag release version is just a picture that they posted without comment on the model itself.
So, who has the best prices on the PPQs?
Grab a Gun and G&R were about tied for a while on best price. Email G&R to get on their list, Grab a Gun has an email service, but you have to act fast when you get it! The first two times they were sold out before I got online to buy mine. IIRC on Jan 1 Walther is opening up their US distribution and service facility, so hopefully supply will loosen up.
Allen
Cincinnatus
12-30-12, 15:12
I have seen several PPQs up on Gunbroker for $599, which is not as good as Grant's price. However, if you don't want to wait for one to be in stock, it's an option. Another alternative is to scour gunshows. I was at a show in the DFW area just before Christmas and saw only one PPQ in the place--and surprisingly, it was reasonably priced--but you might have better luck.
definitely glad to see the thumb mag release version, and it sounds like they're keeping the paddle/lever version around. either way, hope it makes them a ton of money!
10-8 announced that they may be making PPQ sights later in the upcoming year!
10-8 announced that they may be making PPQ sights later in the upcoming year!
Excellant!! that's what I've been hoping for...
Me too.
The more options, the better. It makes sense that aftermarket sight manufacturers would start offering options for the pistol. It has been selling very well since it was released.
Magic_Salad0892
12-31-12, 16:41
10-8 announced that they may be making PPQ sights later in the upcoming year!
Shit. That's the best thing I've heard thus far.
10-8 announced that they may be making PPQ sights later in the upcoming year!
I think it would also be nice if Walther would just do a Novak cut for the rear sight, as it would open the door to all kind of other sight options. They probably have a good reason why they don't or maybe can't.
They probably have a good reason why they don't or maybe can't.
They've been using the same adjustable rear sight setup since the release of the P5 in 1977.
Walther focuses more on their target/competition pistols and rifles. I'm assuming that features from their competition models of firearms cross over when designing their defensive pistols. This could also be why their grips and triggers are so good as well.
Adjustable sights also add more import points to the pistols, as every pistol imported into the US needs to receive a certain amount to be allowed to be imported.
As to their ability as a manufacturer, all I'll say is that Walther has been one of the more innovative companies over the years. They have "changed the game" as far as firearms are concerned, on more than one occasion. I wouldn't doubt that they have the ability to cut a different shape into the rear of the slide.
10-8 announced that they may be making PPQ sights later in the upcoming year! Best news I've heard lately.I went ahead and got Dawson's for my PPQ after Hmac's recommendation.Couldn't be happier,but I love the 10-8's and would like to have another PPQ with them on it.
They've been using the same adjustable rear sight setup since the release of the P5 in 1977.
Walther focuses more on their target/competition pistols and rifles. I'm assuming that features from their competition models of firearms cross over when designing their defensive pistols. This could also be why their grips and triggers are so good as well.
Adjustable sights also add more import points to the pistols, as every pistol imported into the US needs to receive a certain amount to be allowed to be imported.
As to their ability as a manufacturer, all I'll say is that Walther has been one of the more innovative companies over the years. They have "changed the game" as far as firearms are concerned, on more than one occasion. I wouldn't doubt that they have the ability to cut a different shape into the rear of the slide.
I don't doubt their machining capabilities either. I was thinking maybe they can't, because that with the current PPQ slide design they might run into clearance issues with the striker components, if they used the deeper Novak dovetail cut.
Walther's USA website is up. There is information there on the PPX and the PPQ M2.
http://www.waltherarms.com/
Well, looking in the M2 manual..(Section 4, fig 4.2)It appears that mags from the PPQ will NOT interchange with the M2.. Oh well, that's the price you pay for a button...
From what I'm seeing on the website the standard PPQ is not listed. Maybe walther is going with the m2 version only.
acaixguard
01-01-13, 10:05
Will this have a negative impact on the availability of the original PPQ mags? Looks like the new PPQ M2 mags will be different.
Will this have a negative impact on the availability of the original PPQ mags? Looks like the new PPQ M2 mags will be different.
As long as the P99 is still being produced, mags and parts for the original PPQ should not be an issue. The mags are the same for the P99, and the mag release is the same part.
The P99 will probably not be going anywhere, or changing, anytime soon. They have police contracts all over the world for this pistol, and parts should not be an issue as long as someone is still using it.
I'm disappointed in this decision from Walther. I much prefer the paddle/lever release to that of the push button.
I agree, that lever is one of the big reasons I bought my PPQ.
Euro/American market issue? I know more than a few people who "dislike" the paddle in favor of the button simply because they have not taken the time to train on it. 9/10 says Walther Arms supports the PPQ and Euro and is only flogging the M2/PPX because they're the new, hot, unobtainable at the moment.
Allen
Euro/American market issue? I know more than a few people who "dislike" the paddle in favor of the button simply because they have not taken the time to train on it. 9/10 says Walther Arms supports the PPQ and Euro and is only flogging the M2/PPX because they're the new, hot, unobtainable at the moment.
I'm sure it's Walther trying to cater to the US market. What is popular here, sells. The PPX will sell as long as people want an entry level pistol from a quality manufacturer for less than $400. The PPQ M2 will sell to people who are used to the push button mag release.
I think it is a smart move, but neither appeal to me all that much at the moment, except maybe this new 5" model:
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ppq/26504-5-ppq-m2.html
The Walther forum has apparently been hacked, so the link my not take you to the thread until they get this resolved.
Magic_Salad0892
01-01-13, 16:12
When they release the threaded barrels, and 10-8 sights. I'm very strongly considering using the Walther PPQ as my standard pistol, and replacing the Glocks.
I've not decided 100%, but it's a consideration.
As much as I like the paddle magazine release, I'd rather have a push button magazine release so that the transition will be easier.
Oh, and when they produce 17 round M2 magazines...
I'm going to preface this with the fact that I'm not an engineer, and I don't know if the engineering issues around this topic actually lend themselves to one elegant solution. On the other hand, I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.;)
How does it make any damn sense to release a PPQ for a year, then release a new mag-release version that will take a different magazine. Was there no elegant solution that would allow them both to use the same magazine? Then they come out with the PPX, which will have a thumb release, be only a hair bigger than the PPQ, and it also has its own proprietary magazine! :eek:
Perhaps we all took it for granted, but all Glocks of the same caliber can share the same mag as long as its long enough to insert and lock, and same thing with M&Ps. And those mags are (except for this gouging time of the year) twice as cheap.
It is certainly not a deal breaker, and considering issues that have left both Glock and S&W sputtering, it makes the PPQ look even that much more attractive an option. But it just seems IMO rushed and not very well thought out.
Magic_Salad0892
01-01-13, 16:24
I'm going to preface this with the fact that I'm not an engineer, and I don't know if the engineering issues around this topic actually lend themselves to one elegant solution. On the other hand, I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.;)
How does it make any damn sense to release a PPQ for a year, then release a new mag-release version that will take a different magazine. Was there no elegant solution that would allow them both to use the same magazine? Then they come out with the PPX, which will have a thumb release, be only a hair bigger than the PPQ, and it also has its own proprietary magazine! :eek:
Perhaps we all took it for granted, but all Glocks of the same caliber can share the same mag as long as its long enough to insert and lock, and same thing with M&Ps. And those mags are (except for this gouging time of the year) twice as cheap.
It is certainly not a deal breaker, and considering issues that have left both Glock and S&W sputtering, it makes the PPQ look even that much more attractive an option. But it just seems IMO rushed and not very well thought out.
I'm 100% with you on that, but then again most HKs can't use the same magazine either, and I've always thought that was full retard.
Cincinnatus
01-01-13, 16:31
It has to do with the way the lever release works vs. the push-button. The slot in the mag for the lever-release is higher and differently shaped than what would work with a push-button release.
So if you want a push-button release, you also need some different mags. Or perhaps new mags that have two slots cut in them, one for push-button models and one for lever release models.
It has to do with the way the lever release works vs. the push-button. The slot in the mag for the lever-release is higher and differently shaped than what would work with a push-button release.
Yup I saw the height difference in the manual pictures.
Or perhaps new mags that have two slots cut in them, one for push-button models and one for lever release models.
That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say I'm not an engineer. I don't know if having both types of slots will have some negative effects. But off the top of the head, I cannot think of any. If they did this, all the the newer mags would work in all the older pistols. Then the could simply production and save money, by only manufacturing the new mags that are backward compatible with everything.
I'm 100% with you on that, but then again most HKs can't use the same magazine either, and I've always thought that was full retard.
Sort of. I've read that although its not a seamless fit, USP Compact can and P2000 can take P30 mags for example. Never actually seen it in person, however. But the point is still the same, platform commonality is just plain common sense.
Interesting that you bring up the HK, since they have the lever release business just like Walther. The interesting thing is that HK is keeping theirs for the foreseeable future AFAIK. I've always found the Walther paddle very much superior due to the increased real estate, yet Walther looks to have started moving away from it.
Interesting times we pistoleros are living in.
Magic_Salad0892
01-01-13, 17:09
Sort of. I've read that although its not a seamless fit, USP Compact can and P2000 can take P30 mags for example. Never actually seen it in person, however. But the point is still the same, platform commonality is just plain common sense.
Interesting that you bring up the HK, since they have the lever release business just like Walther. The interesting thing is that HK is keeping theirs for the foreseeable future AFAIK. I've always found the Walther paddle very much superior due to the increased real estate, yet Walther looks to have started moving away from it.
Interesting times we pistoleros are living in.
Completely agreed.
Hopefully the non-M2 PPQ pistols will be available.
Hopefully the non-M2 PPQ pistols will be available.
Tell ya what, it is conspicuously absent from their brand new website and its list of models.
http://www.waltherarms.com/products/
I wonder when the PPQ M2 will start making its way to dealers/distributors? Anyone have an idea?
acaixguard
01-02-13, 15:52
I just called up Walther Arms, and spoke to someone inquiring about the original PPQ being discontinued since it's not on their new site. The gentleman I spoke to said that as far as he knows, the PPQ WILL continued to be produced along with the PPQ M2. He's not sure why the new website doesn't reflect this.
So, either his own company does not keep him up to date on the product line, or the website is wrong. Hopefully it's the latter, and only time will tell.
I just called up Walther Arms, and spoke to someone inquiring about the original PPQ being discontinued since it's not on their new site. The gentleman I spoke to said that as far as he knows, the PPQ WILL continued to be produced along with the PPQ M2. He's not sure why the new website doesn't reflect this.
So, either his own company does not keep him up to date on the product line, or the website is wrong. Hopefully it's the latter, and only time will tell.
I spoke to VP of sales (today) and was told something else. The M2 is to replace the current PPQ model.
There is hope of seeing a "tactical" variant (at some point) with the triggerguard mounted mag release. I will talk to them at Shot about keeping this model around.
C4
I spoke to VP of sales (today)...There is hope of seeing a "tactical" variant (at some point) with the triggerguard mounted mag release. I will talk to them at Shot about keeping this model around.
C4
YES!
I grew up using button mag releases. It only took me a few times using the lever mag release of the PPQ before I was trying to release the mag of a 1911 with my trigger finger. The PPQ mag release is very close to how the AR mag release is used. I'd like to get a second PPQ, but I don't want it with the button release
I spoke to VP of sales (today) and was told something else. The M2 is to replace the current PPQ model.
There is hope of seeing a "tactical" variant (at some point) with the triggerguard mounted mag release. I will talk to them at Shot about keeping this model around.
C4
so when are you getting M2s and the other new product lines? :p
acaixguard
01-02-13, 16:50
I spoke to VP of sales (today) and was told something else. The M2 is to replace the current PPQ model.
There is hope of seeing a "tactical" variant (at some point) with the triggerguard mounted mag release. I will talk to them at Shot about keeping this model around.
C4
Sounds like your source is probably closer to the truth. Damn, that sucks!
I have a PPQ and I love the gun. The mag release that I was initially apprehensive about, I have grown to love. Would be a shame to see a good thing put to an end.
My main concern would be the availability of spare parts, especially the magazines. Yeah, I know there are other magazine options, but the OCD side of me definitely prefers mags made for the particular gun (kinda like seeing PPQ on the baseplate).
YES!
I grew up using button mag releases. It only took me a few times using the lever mag release of the PPQ before I was trying to release the mag of a 1911 with my trigger finger. The PPQ mag release is very close to how the AR mag release is used. I'd like to get a second PPQ, but I don't want it with the button release
I was a paddle style release convert when I had an HK USP. That's why I jumped on a PPQ when I found one a couple of days ago. IMO it would be a shame for Walther to transition completely away from the paddle style to the button style.
I spoke to VP of sales (today) and was told something else. The M2 is to replace the current PPQ model.
There is hope of seeing a "tactical" variant (at some point) with the triggerguard mounted mag release. I will talk to them at Shot about keeping this model around.
C4
That is a incredibly stupid move...Take a fairly sucessful pistol design, change the mag release to accommodate a minority of people who don't have the manual dexerity,or refuse to use anything but a button, and while we're at it, redesign the mags, too......I think Walther is shooting themselves in the foot...
That is a incredibly stupid move...Take a fairly sucessful pistol design, change the mag release to accommodate a minority of people who don't have the manual dexerity,or refuse to use anything but a button, and while we're at it, redesign the mags, too......I think Walther is shooting themselves in the foot...
While I agree with you, most American's think that that the triggerguard mag release is ghey. I have heard tons of people decide NOT to choose this gun because of its mag release.
I will push hard to get the gun in some form of "Tactical" model with the original mag release.
C4
I love paddle mag releases but you guys are fooling yourselves if you think most shooters prefer one. If anything the paddle mag release is the biggest issue holding the PPQ back from being the picked by many shooters over Glock.
That is a incredibly stupid move...Take a fairly sucessful pistol design, change the mag release to accommodate a minority of people who don't have the manual dexerity,or refuse to use anything but a button, and while we're at it, redesign the mags, too......I think Walther is shooting themselves in the foot...
I suspect that the VAST majority of American shooters prefer the button release. I don't mind the paddle at all, but if I had the choice between paddle vs button, I'd probably choose the button release. I have no intention of selling my PPQ to get one, however.
This is probably a smart marketing move for Walther. I wonder if the original PPQ with paddle release will be the only model available in Europe. If so, one might still be able to score a PPQ/paddle from Earl's (if you don't mind paying an arm and a leg).
I love paddle mag releases but you guys are fooling yourselves if you think most shooters prefer one. If anything the paddle mag release is the biggest issue holding the PPQ back from being the picked by many shooters over Glock.
Absolutely. Walther may have crossed my personal preferences, but I can understand their desire to simply broaden their pool of potential customers (read through the thread here searching for Glock alternatives for some insight into how large a pool this might be). I'll be interested in holding an M2 and seeing how their implementation of the button works out.
Wonder if the planned changeover has been a driver for any of the new sight options that have been announced lately (10-8, Heinie, etc.).
so when are you getting M2s and the other new product lines? :p
Not really sure. They should see some ones in the country soon I am told.
C4
Somebody sure wanted a paddle release model bad a PPQ in 9mm just went for $1,025.00 on Gunbroker. Auction # 324196371. Amazing!
I love paddle mag releases but you guys are fooling yourselves if you think most shooters prefer one. If anything the paddle mag release is the biggest issue holding the PPQ back from being the picked by many shooters over Glock.
That' s because most shooters don't know anything but buttons..If given a chance to try the release levers, most would quickly agree that they are much better than any button. Instead of going to a button only,Walther could have at least offered both for awhile to see which sold better...HK has'nt changed to a button, and they don't seen to have any problem selling anything...
That' s because most shooters don't know anything but buttons..If given a chance to try the release levers, most would quickly agree that they are much better than any button. Instead of going to a button only,Walther could have at least offered both for awhile to see which sold better...HK has'nt changed to a button, and they don't seen to have any problem selling anything...
I've had a PPS for a couple of years and now a PPQ. I'm familiar with the paddle release. I also have numerous other semiautomatic pistols with thumb button releases. I'm OK with the paddle release, but marginally, on balance I'd prefer the thumb button.
I have no idea about the PPQ's marketing strategy or any problems they might have with ATF import points. In a perfect world, all consumers would have the choices between all options.
Condition Write
01-03-13, 18:59
I just dropped Walther an email extolling the virtues of the paddle release and requesting that they revisit their decision to drop the original PPQ. Can't hurt, might incrementally help.
HK has'nt changed to a button, and they don't seen to have any problem selling anything...
This doesn't mean that they never thought about it.
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/131124-striker-fired-p40.html
Post #3:
Samples are in the US for HK eval but no further details beyond it looks like a P30 without a hammer and may have push button mag relases versus the typical USP-style levers - still TBD. My guess it is will be in Vegas in January at the SHOT Show.
The member that made that post seems to know his stuff when it comes to H&K. He also gave a pretty good reason why this change may not be a bad idea for the manufacturer, in post #8.
This doesn't mean that they never thought about it.
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/131124-striker-fired-p40.html
Post #3:
The member that made that post seems to know his stuff when it comes to H&K. He also gave a pretty good reason why this change may not be a bad idea for the manufacturer, in post #8.
Not saying it isn't true, but I'll believe the striker fired P-30 when they are actually for sale.. to date no one has seen one,nor have any pics been posted..Vaporware,until it's proven to exist... HK has been teasing everyone for years over a possible striker fired P-30, Sadly, the way things are looking,by the time they do bring it out It may end up being NFA item, or only for sale with neteured 10rnd mags...If we're lucky...
russianbear
01-04-13, 11:47
The muzzle flip can be reduced by replacing the Walther OEM recoil spring with a Sprinco reduced recoil spring Assy. But it's a strong duel spring and some may not like how hard it is to rack the slide. Also at $90US it's not cheap.
Magic_Salad0892
01-04-13, 12:09
The muzzle flip can be reduced by replacing the Walther OEM recoil spring with a Sprinco reduced recoil spring Assy. But it's a strong duel spring and some may not like how hard it is to rack the slide. Also at $90US it's not cheap.
Wonder how it changes the function with a suppressor.
PPQ's are bringing crazy money right now on gun broker, one sold for $1,025.00 + shipping, & another is currently bid up to $900.00
I picked one up today at my LGS for $575.00 people are crazy
good lord. I thought about buying one as I love the concept of the gun, but I'll be damned if I'm paying that much. This is getting nuts. My LGS had to put knives in the display cases because they are basically out of any gun worth a damn
good lord. I thought about buying one as I love the concept of the gun, but I'll be damned if I'm paying that much. This is getting nuts. My LGS had to put knives in the display cases because they are basically out of any gun worth a damn
I don't blame you..The PPQ is a nice pistol, But, it's not $1000 nice..
Cincinnatus
01-05-13, 12:00
I don't blame you..The PPQ is a nice pistol, But, it's not $1000 nice..
It is a stiff competitor with the HK P30, and the HK P30 goes for around $1000. In fact, the Walther is undervalued in its price.
It is a stiff competitor with the HK P30, and the HK P30 goes for around $1000. In fact, the Walther is undervalued in its price.
No, the HK is over priced
It is a stiff competitor with the HK P30, and the HK P30 goes for around $1000. In fact, the Walther is undervalued in its price.
won't disagree, but I am not paying a grand for an HK either =)
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