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CarlosDJackal
03-27-12, 22:06
In preparation for a TigerSwan class next week I sent in my ATF Form 5320.2 a couple of weeks ago. Today, I received the forms back and it came with instructions for me to add the following statement to Section 5 (Reason for Transportation of Firearm) of the form: I"In accordance with NC general statute 14-288.8".

In my seach online I found the following text for that code:

North Carolina General Statutes § 14-288.8 Manufacture, assembly, possession, storage, transportation, sale, purchase, delivery, or acquisition of weapon of mass death and destruction; exceptions

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful for any person to manufacture, assemble, possess, store,transport , sell, offer to sell, purchase, offer to purchase, deliver or give to another, or acquire any weapon of mass death and destruction.

(b) This section does not apply to:

(1) Persons exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269 with respect to any activities lawfully engaged in while carrying out their duties.

(2) Importers, manufacturers, dealers, and collectors of firearms, ammunition, or destructive devices validly licensed under the laws of the United States or the State of North Carolina, while lawfully engaged in activities authorized under their licenses.

(3) Persons under contract with the United States, the State of North Carolina, or any agency of either government, with respect to any activities lawfully engaged in under their contracts.

(4) Inventors, designers, ordnance consultants and researchers, chemists, physicists, and other persons lawfully engaged in pursuits designed to enlarge knowledge or to facilitate the creation, development, or manufacture of weapons of mass death and destruction intended for use in a manner consistent with the laws of the United States and the State of North Carolina.

(c) The term "weapon of mass death and destruction" includes:

(1) Any explosive or incendiary:

a. Bomb; or

b. Grenade; or

c. Rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces; or

d. Missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one‑quarter ounce; or

e. Mine; or

f. Device similar to any of the devices described above; or

(2) Any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell of a type particularly suitable for sporting purposes) which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one‑half inch in diameter; or

(3) Any firearm capable of fully automatic fire, any shotgun with a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length or an overall length of less than 26 inches, any rifle with a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length or an overall length of less than 26 inches, any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not such firearm is included within this definition. For the purposes of this section, rifle is defined as a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder; or

(4) Any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any weapon described above and from which a weapon of mass death and destruction may readily be assembled.

The term "weapon of mass death and destruction" does not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line‑throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686 of Title 10 of the United States Code; or any other device which the Secretary of the Treasury finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, is an antique, or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting purposes, in accordance with Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

(d) Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a Class F felony. (1969, c. 869, s. 1; 1975, c. 718, ss. 6, 7; 1977, c. 810; 1983, c. 413, ss. 1, 2; 1993, c. 539, s. 1228; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 2001‑470, s. 3.)



So basically, it seems that it is illegal for anyone to transport any NFA items? Has anyone run into this before? I've filed and received approval for 5320.2s before and had never been asked to add this statement. Is this stature (14-288.8) new?

tsconver
03-28-12, 20:49
I think the line 4 covers you as you are doing training and therefore increasing knowledge.

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qld4390
03-28-12, 20:52
Just recently, NC 14-288.8 changed to include option 5.

(5) Persons who lawfully possess or own a weapon as defined in subsection (c) of this section in compliance with 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53, §§ 5801-5871. Nothing in this subdivision shall limit the discretion of the sheriff in executing the paperwork required by the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for such person to obtain the weapon.

To my understanding, (and I'm no lawyer) this means if you meet federal requirements for owning your suppressor/SBR/SBS, you now fit state requirements.

http://mobile.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-288.8.pdf

FChen17213
03-28-12, 21:11
My understanding is also that the law has changed in NC starting Dec 1, 2011 so that as long as you are complying with all Federal Regulations and laws for NFA items, you are ok. It used to be where your "weapon of mass death and destruction" (imagine that term)had to be for scientific or experimental research only or something of that nature. It still sucks in that most Sheriffs in NC won't sign for their residents regardless so it's a moot point for many of us. I know about the revocable trust and corporation stuff, but some Class 3 dealers have said that's not a good idea, and that it might be legal trouble waiting to happen.

tsconver
03-28-12, 21:33
You still have to reference the statute. I just had to do a form 1 correction to add it to mine. the new law makes trusts and llc ownership legal as they are legal at the federal level that was the big clarification. prior to the change many people were worried that the attorney general could prosecute those with nfa items under trusts as it was a real grey area in nc nfa law. now if it mets fed rules it meets state law.

Hope that helps.

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CarlosDJackal
03-29-12, 09:18
Thanks, all. I added the reference and sent back my 5320.2. Although at this point it will be too late since I will be attending a TigerSwan class next week (April 7th). But then again, I put it in for 12-months so I should be covered for any future TS classes I decide to attend.