Carbine Practice

[ASH556]

I just read through the "favorite drills" thread, and it's pretty much all pistol drills. With the price of ammo going up, I want to start doing more dry firing with both the pistol and carbine. I also want to make my range time/ammo count for as much as possible.

How far and with what kind of target should I be dry firing? In other words, does using a door knob or light switch 5-10 feet away work just as well has having a 2" or smaller dot designated setup in the garage?

Also, what are some good dry fire drills? How many dummy rounds do you use, if any?

Again at the range, I have access to 25yds indoors and 75yds outdoors. Both are static (standing or bench only). At the outdoor range it's 15min between cease fires.

I'd appreciate all feedback.

Thank you!

[Failure2Stop]

Presentations are crucial with the carbine, every bit as important as a rock-solid stance.

Work on driving the sights to a precise point as the safety is swept and precisely breaking the shot. At indoor distances I would work on 6" plates, 3x5 cards, and 1" dots. As that gets beter and better I would begin to transition to proper hold-over presentations instead of using the aiming points.

Transitions are also a key factor of fundamental "good shooting".
Work on driving the gun across short and wide distances, and from large to small targets. The dry-fire portion should be on the transition target, not the presentation target.

Be very conscious of maintiaing proper stance and grip during dry-fire, or it will be nothing but wasted time.

[jenrick]

I use the screws on a light switch cover plate, or an outlet cover plate if I want to practice precision holds. I use the switch body it self or the ground hole on an outlet for a "torso" hold at simulated distance. I use the whole light switch cover plate or outlet cover for closer more rapid engagements.


-Jenrick

[aflin]

Everytime I go to the range, I always myself. Am I here to:

1)Learn? Meaning and I here to practice a newly taught technique?
2) Skill building? Meaning to practice/ fine tune the skills I have already have mastered?
3) Maintaining skillset? Meaning to maintain the current skill level we are at. Shooting is a perishable skill, so if I go a week or two without shooting, I go out to maintain my skillset.

Just some food for thought

[ridgerunner70]

One dry fire drill I do at home to practice for getting on the target fast from ready position is- I cut a piece of cardboard 2.6"x6.1" (replicates IPSC "A" at 10yds) and tack it on my door and get in ready position at 8' away. I downloaded an app from Surefire timer and works well for dry fire inside. Get in my stance and ready position,wait for beep and get one dry fire shot on target. I do this around 30x a session. I average my times. I really don't know what a good time is from a ready position shot.

[The_War_Wagon]

Three words for you: "Dedicated" ".22LR" "AR"

Dry firing is good (especially here in the frozen tundra!), although as Failure2Stop notes, only PERFECT practice makes perfect. A dedicated .22LR AR trainer is GREAT for practice at CQB distances, and is VERY cheap to feed!

Mine is a BUILT .22LR trainer - Tactical Solutions M4-style .22LR upper, Precision Aero lower, ARF-X stock, Magpul furniture, DD 12.0 Omega X FSP rails, Aimpoint Comp M (their first model), PentagonLight, and TacticalLink sling (older Magpul rear sight pictured - I now run a Troy folding rear sight).


http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/100_7624.jpg


It's built LIKE my 5.56 rifles (not cheaply), but rather, so I can practice REALISTICALLY.

p.s. - My photobucket account is fritzed at the moment - check back Tuesday. :rolleyes:

[Failure2Stop]

I really don't know what a good time is from a ready position shot.

10 yards on top 3/4 of an "A" zone- about 1 second is pretty good for a guaranteed hit on the first shot of a multiple shot string (which all presentation practice should be reinforcing). It's pretty easy to cheat that down to .5 if you don't bother to build a solid platform for the gun, which is what a lot of dry-fire and .22 can do if you don't reinforce the training with live-fire.

An IPSC "A" zone is very generous, which is why I recommend what I posted earlier.

[ridgerunner70]

Presentations are crucial with the carbine, every bit as important as a rock-solid stance.

Work on driving the sights to a precise point as the safety is swept and precisely breaking the shot. At indoor distances I would work on 6" plates, 3x5 cards, and 1" dots. As that gets beter and better I would begin to transition to proper hold-over presentations instead of using the aiming points.

Transitions are also a key factor of fundamental "good shooting".
Work on driving the gun across short and wide distances, and from large to small targets. The dry-fire portion should be on the transition target, not the presentation target.

Be very conscious of maintiaing proper stance and grip during dry-fire, or it will be nothing but wasted time.

Is this drill down at say 3-5 yds? In house.

[Failure2Stop]

Is this drill down at say 3-5 yds? In house.

It's not really a drill, per se, but really just aiming/target media.
But yes, 5 (ish) yards (generally do-able within a livingroom/hallway/garage) is a pretty decent distance to work 3x5s and 1" dots/squares, both for dead-hold and offset work.

I want to clarify, I am not saying that you are doing anything wrong, just that I prefer to do it differently.

[SpookyPistolero]

F2S- do you have any links to a 'treatise' authored by yourself on proper stance, grip, mechanics, etc? I'd love to make sure my dry fire time isn't wasted.