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Couple of questions here - I'm posing the question in here as opposed to the NFA section in hopes that I might get some Benelli guys that can help.
I currently have an 18.5" Benelli M2 with pistol grip stock.
I want my Benelli M2 to be 14.5 with an M4 stock.
I've got multiple registered AR lowers so I'm not new to SBRs, but I am new to SBSGs.
What are my options here?
After recieving back an approved Form 4, and engraving the receiver would I have a competent gunsmith (ADCO) cut the existing barrel?
Would I buy a new 14.5 barrel straight from Benelli?
Can an M2 even be shortened to 14.5, or would I need an M4 for this?
Or, do I just purchase/transfer a new SBR Benelli M4?
Please help. And Thanks!
Oh yeah, can my M2 use the cool M4 stock? If so, where might I obtain one?
EDIT: Ok, Google's amazing.
There's this (http://www.impactguns.com/benelli-m4-entrycqb-14in-3-position-stock-ghost-ring-sight-11724.aspx), which would be a transfer, and an expensive one at that, but probably a wash, if I can offload my near-new M2.
And then there's this (http://www.amazon.com/M4-70085-Benelli-Collapsible-Stock/dp/B004BH2H1S) as well. Dang - prolly cheaper just to do a transfer on a new SBS M4.
I have a SBE that had the original barrel cut down. It had seen over 5k rounds and many many hunts in saltwater-soaked duck blinds. it was in bad shape, so I bought a brand new SBE barrel and had the original one cut down to 12" at my local gun shop.
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foam foregrip replacement
Nordic +1 mag extension
Mesa Tactical clamp
Magpul Picatinny rail strip
QD sling attachment
Surefire X300
I would probably look at a grey market SBS on a F4 over doing a F1 and 922r, especially if you want the M4 stock.
Or F1 an older M1.
Recoil operated shotguns don't have problems with shortening the barrels. There is no gas port to mess with.
I would look for full length barrel and cut it down if you are ok with that. If I remember right, the short benelli barrels cost quite a bit from the factory when you can get them. I just got an M4 sbs and it is the cats ass for me but it took a long time to get it. I don't care what any of them tell you, if they are not in stock, it is gonna take a long, long time to get the m4 sbs in. I do happen to love mine though. Definately worth it.
You can't buy an imported SBS from the factory. NFA firearms are not importable as sporting.
You can't buy an imported SBS from the factory. NFA firearms are not importable as sporting.
Thanks for the input Todd.
So if I picked up a new M4, form 4'd it, sent the barrel to ADCO for a cut/finish, I'd be in business? Anybody have a closeup picture of a 14.5 length on an M4? I think the magazine JUST sticks out like a 1/4", right? Or is it perfectly flush? A better question is, are Benelli's factory SBS M4's 14.5?
You can't buy an imported SBS from the factory. NFA firearms are not importable as sporting.
Just buy one from a Benelli dist., or order the 14" barrel.
You can't buy an imported SBS from the factory. NFA firearms are not importable as sporting.
I got a 14" Benelli M4 SBS with no issues. Had to wait on ATF of course but had no issues.
I got a 14" Benelli M4 SBS with no issues. Had to wait on ATF of course but had no issues.
May I ask where you bought it from?
They had to have been imported for LE. NFA firearms are not importable as sporting.
If you want to make an SBS from an imported shotgun you need to deal with 922r.
Well then maybe they imported an m4 with regular length barrel and cut it off here but either way mine is an m4 with 14in barrel and collapsible stock that my paper work came back on less than 2 months ago through Houston Armory. It was origionally bought from Impact Guns and transferred to Houston Armory. There are a couple of other places that sell them also but they take a lot of time to get here. Also, Kip at Carrier Comp has all of the parts you would need to deal with 922R. If you are going to sbs the gun, you will have to get the paper work done. I would believe that once the gun is an sbs and your paper work is done, you do not need to worry about 922R anymore. Update, I talked with Clay at Impact guns and he assured me that they are coming in with the 14in barrel already on the shotgun. They have several more on there way and should be here in the next 8 weeks.
If it's a factory SBS then it's grey market. Imported for LE and then sold/traded by the department.
"Restricted Importation
NFA Firearms
Those firearms as defined in 26 U.S.C. § 5845, which include such firearms as machineguns, machinegun receivers, silencers, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, destructive devices, smoothbore pistols, and certain other firearms"
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/policy-procedure-restricted-importation.html
You cannot build a firearm from imported parts that cannot be imported as sporting. NFA is not importable as sporting so I believe 922r applies.
If it's a factory SBS then it's grey market. Imported for LE and then sold/traded by the department.
"Restricted Importation
NFA Firearms
Those firearms as defined in 26 U.S.C. § 5845, which include such firearms as machineguns, machinegun receivers, silencers, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, destructive devices, smoothbore pistols, and certain other firearms"
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/policy-procedure-restricted-importation.html
You cannot build a firearm from imported parts that cannot be imported as sporting. NFA is not importable as sporting so I believe 922r applies.
http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli-defense-models.php
http://www.impactguns.com/benelli-m4-entrycqb-14in-pistol-grip-fixed-stock-ghost-ring-sight-11722.aspx
Then people better buy while the buying is good, because they are ALL OVER the market, at least in M4 format. I have not searched for M2's.
May I ask where you bought it from?
Yeah I got mine from Impact guns. I called them and asked if they had any in stock, was told yes so I got it. We all took care of the paperwork, which took 6 months and that was it. I also remember I got the last one from that order batch. He said they go very quick. I remember I had to send payment to make sure it was saved for me.
WOW, I just checked Impact guns and prices went WAY up!!!!! I payed about $1700 out the door for mine now they're asking $1999.00 Damn!!!!!!! Glad I got mine when i did!!!!!!
If for whatever reason I got lucky and this deal is gone,for whatever reason, what you can do is get a regular M4 with the 18" barrel, then get a 14" barrel and swap it, then take care of the paperwork. The advantage is you're have our shotgun without waiting 6 months. Now I'm sure you know it's not legal to put that barrel on until the paperwork is back though. The drawback is a separate barrel is almost $800 last time i checked.
Here it is. I have to get a X300 for it. That M3 is huge, but it was free, so free works for now.:D
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Yeah I got mine from Impact guns. I called them and asked if they had any in stock, was told yes so I got it. We all took care of the paperwork, which took 6 months and that was it. I also remember I got the last one from that order batch. He said they go very quick. I remember I had to send payment to make sure it was saved for me.
WOW, I just checked Impact guns and prices went WAY up!!!!! I payed about $1700 out the door for mine now they're asking $1999.00 Damn!!!!!!! Glad I got mine when i did!!!!!!
If for whatever reason I got lucky and this deal is gone,for whatever reason, what you can do is get a regular M4 with the 18" barrel, then get a 14" barrel and swap it, then take care of the paperwork. The advantage is you're have our shotgun without waiting 6 months. Now I'm sure you know it's not legal to put that barrel on until the paperwork is back though. The drawback is a separate barrel is almost $800 last time i checked.
Here it is. I have to get a X300 for it. That M3 is huge, but it was free, so free works for now.:D
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo11/rickp1/Benelli3.jpg
That's a beauty man. Exactly what I'm after. So I think my plan is to do a transfer on an Impact Guns M4 SBS (if indeed that's the legal route (I'll call 'em)), but I still need the Benelli collapsable stock. Where's the cheapest place for one?
Also, I hope I can offload my near-new M2...
That's a beauty man. Exactly what I'm after. So I think my plan is to do a transfer on an Impact Guns M4 SBS (if indeed that's the legal route (I'll call 'em)), but I still need the Benelli collapsable stock. Where's the cheapest place for one?
Also, I hope I can offload my near-new M2...
For a stock I would check Gun Broker. I've seen them there the most. That's the only place I really know about.
For a stock I would check Gun Broker. I've seen them there the most. That's the only place I really know about.
I sold mine for $385 the other day, as a price-point.
...get a regular M4 with the 18" barrel, then get a 14" barrel and swap it, then take care of the paperwork. The advantage is you're have our shotgun without waiting 6 months. Now I'm sure you know it's not legal to put that barrel on until the paperwork is back though. The drawback is a separate barrel is almost $800 last time i checked.
You should not have the barrel until you have the approved Form 1.
The second drawback is you also need to spend even more for 922r parts.
You should not have the barrel until you have the approved Form 1.
The second drawback is you also need to spend even more for 922r parts.
I'm not sure that's true, you can buy as many barrels as you want you just attach them. Same as an SBR upper. you can buy the upper but cant attach it to a lower with out the paperwork.
What 922 parts are you talking about, you mean the barrel? If so, i made that point earlier.
I'm not sure that's true, you can buy as many barrels as you want you just attach them. Same as an SBR upper. you can buy the upper but cant attach it to a lower with out the paperwork.
What 922 parts are you talking about, you mean the barrel? If so, i made that point earlier.
I always have subscribed to the thought that proximity possession IS intent. I don't own NFA items (i.e. barrels) unless I've got a 1 to 1 matching, registered lower for them or in this case, registered Benelli receiver. This discussion goes round and round, but I tnd to stay on the cautious side.
I always have subscribed to the thought that proximity possession IS intent. I don't own NFA items (i.e. barrels) unless I've got a 1 to 1 matching, registered lower for them or in this case, registered Benelli receiver. This discussion goes round and round, but I tnd to stay on the cautious side.
I thought the same thing, but was incorrect. The breach in the law cames when you attach the NFA item to the serial number item. When you file the paperwork you have to specify a SN, (the receiver) until that happens, it's just a barrel,(in this case) or an SBR upper (in that case). Cans are different because they have SNs. Those you can't take possession until paperwork clears.
Clay at Impact guns told me a couple of days ago that they have more 14 sbs's coming in shortly. That is where I got mine from also. Mine was also about 1700.00. I had not seen that they went up to 1900. Glad I bought when I did. And yes, it is completely legal to buy one from them or any other dealer that has them as long as you do the paper work. You do not need to buy the collapsible stock as an extra, they already come with the m4 sbs as it is.
They had to have been imported for LE. NFA firearms are not importable as sporting.
If you want to make an SBS from an imported shotgun you need to deal with 922r.
Benellis have been available as civvy legal SBS for a very long time, including when HK was the importer. They come in as title-1 firearms and are made title-2 by Benelli after they are in the US.
I thought the same thing, but was incorrect. The breach in the law cames when you attach the NFA item to the serial number item. When you file the paperwork you have to specify a SN, (the receiver) until that happens, it's just a barrel,(in this case) or an SBR upper (in that case). Cans are different because they have SNs. Those you can't take possession until paperwork clears.
This is false, and you are going to jail or paying a fine if you get caught doing this, unless you are a Type 7 or Type 10 FFL, which I doubt based on your question.
Q: May a FFL or an individual legally possess the parts to manufacture an SBR or SBS as long as no firearms are actually assembled?
A FFL (Type-7 or Type-10) who pays the Special Occupational Tax (SOT) may possess parts required to assemble NFA firearms. A non-licensee or FFL who has not paid the SOT is required to register any NFA firearm via an ATF Form 1 (5320.1) prior to acquisition of the parts required to assemble such firearm.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html
This is cut, dried, and there is NO ROOM for misinterpretation, sadly. You may not acquire the parts required. This means not in your safe. Not in the other room. Not at your BIL's house.
I'm not trying to bust your balls over this, but I can clearly see that what you are advocating is very illegal, and I want to leave no room for misinterpretation that could land you, me, or anyone else in hot water out of unknowing breaches of the law.
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